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AddReply(366564,"steve #42","ak","dc","11/30/08","Steve, I think the Rapture is phony theology and biblically unsupported.  But I also disagree that the American public can influence geopolitical events simply by writing letters to the editor, etc.   Ex: approx 80% of Americans oppose the Iraq war, when confronted Cheney says, \"So?\"  Even though Christians are given the feeling of political power through small victories in the abortion debate circus, the issue is clearly here to stay as an ongoing distraction for those whose attention wanders during Dallas Cowboys halftime report.  For how many appointments by so-called Christian conservative presidents does it take for the Court to interpret the Constitution without seeing penumbra or additional rights embedded in the due process clause?  I am not sure you understand how hard people work to change govt in the face of media blackout with no progress made.  Standing in the way are over 300 million brain-dead Americans for whom TV has become their Sinai or their temple.  No human being has the power to move this mountain, that is why I say that unless God chooses to act on our behalf, it cannot be moved.  But you who decry the \"evil Muslim terrorists\" for killing several thousand seem to want the entire nation of 350 million crushed immediately.   Who are you to know that God has not found righteous people to work through in America?  You look at the brain-dead Americans and impute their condition to every person in the country.  You demand that the few individuals not held captive to the TV make sweeping political and geopolitical changes immediately or you would see us all punished.");
AddReply(365980,"ak, dc #41","Steve","Fla.","11/28/08","You wrote: \"Our NT tells us (Christians) that in the end days He will allow the evil people to run rampant for a bit, maybe to give people time to choose which side they want to be on. But God can see people\'s hearts and souls better than we can, so shouldn\'t He be the judge?\"\n\nWhat you are describing is this deterministic view I abhor.  There are Jews that also hold to this deterministic world view.\n\n\"Everything is in God\'s hands.  There is nothing we can do about it.  If evil prevails then, God wills it.  Thus we must be in constant, vigilante prayer for our leaders.\"  etc.\n\nLet us assume it is the case; in the end days (God) will allow the evil people to run rampant.  This does not absolve us of our obligations.  God can see people\'s hearts and souls better than we can but we can see people\'s actions or inaction(s).  We can hear people\'s words.  We can perceive their silence.\n\nI believe we are entitled to judge these things.  I believe we are obligated to judge these things.  Judgment belongs to God but it is not exclusively Gods.\n\nChristianity does not believe in a physical kingdom, yet there will be a physical kingdom in Jerusalem and I believe there will be judgment.  \n\nWhile we are here on earth, we have moral obligations.  We have responsibilities, Jews and Christians alike.  We are not passive observers of events.  That is not what God intended.  If Christians believe they can be passive, even neutral observers, they are deluded in my opinion.\n\nThere is no passivity.  There is no neutrality.  No one is going to escape this world alive.  There will be no Tim LaHaye \"left behind\" rapture (or whatever) of believers before the great \"tribulation\" or the Day of the Lord.\n\nThese are all lies and delusions.  The Christian believer ought not delude himself or herself.  \n\n");
AddReply(365892,"steve","ak","dc ","11/28/08","Steve, listen to Larry.  If you read the NT, you know that Christianity was not supposed to be a physical kingdom  (as the HRE or any Christian empire was).  So ask yourself why any \"Christian\" would want to establish a Christian power base.  Perhaps that \"Christian\" is cynical about his or her \"faith.\"  Now why are Christians in the US instructed to be so gung-ho about abortion and gay marriage and not about political and economic issues?  Let\'s say you were a cynical and power-hungry person using Christianity (or any religion) to manipulate people.  Would you yourself care about abortion or gay marriage?  Or would you use those issues to distract people because they are of no importance to your political/economic agenda?  Now, if you\'re asking how anyone could be stupid enough to be manipulated by such a person, well, I don\'t know how we got so dumb.  It\'s not just Christians, most of the country has lost it.  We are decadent, self-centered, and dumb as bacteria.  Are we so hopeless that God should just send a flood and wipe us all out?  Well, I think that is for God to decide.   Our NT tells us (Christians) that in the end days He will allow the evil people to run rampant for a bit, maybe to give people time to choose which side they want to be on.  But God can see people\'s hearts and souls better than we can, so shouldn\'t He be the judge?");
AddReply(365818,"the debate","Joanna","US","11/27/08","Steve,\n\nYou might know that there\'s this constant debate between \"choosing the lesser of two evils\" or not voting at all. I saw it again this election year. I think that\'s part of the problem. For example, people who care about Israel and voted for McCain I\'m sure felt that he was better re Israel than Obama. Now, I think in many ways he is. But in an interview, I believe to an Israeli paper, he said that he might consider naming James Baker as an envoy to Israel, even though he admitted knowing that Israelis didn\'t care much for him. On the other side you have Obama, who among other things, has ties to Rashid Khalidi. So, which one to vote for? I myself for a variety of reasons didn\'t vote. I truly believe Obama is extraordinarily dangerous for America, Israel, and the world. But how could I vote for a man who while knowing the track record re Baker still would consider selecting him anyway? \n\nI think unfortunately that America\'s time of grandeur is over. And much of that is due to America\'s pressure on Israel to divide her land and to compromise with unrepentant terrorists. \n\nHang in there, Steve. He Who watches Israel never slumbers nor sleeps.");
AddReply(365793,"Joanna, ak / dc: this is the problem","Steve","Fla.","11/27/08","Clearly our Bible teaches that the people are collectively responsible for the crimes of our leaders; even for God-fearing leaders, which we do not have presently.\n\nWhen King David sinned, the people suffered.  When Moshe (Moses) lost faith in God in the wilderness, the people at large suffered because of his lack of faith.\n\nLike Joanna said ak, dc, we can write letters to the editor -- something I have done.  We can call in on local and national talk radio -- something I do but they are weary of my talk against Bush.  We can call and petition our Congressman -- something I have done.  The point is, we must all protest Bush\'s evil words and deeds against Israel and the God of Israel.  Otherwise we are complicit in his crimes.  Why is this so difficult ak, dc?.\n\nIf Bush\'s conservative, largely Christian base publicly condemned him for the immoral, evil acts he has done against the land and the people of Israel, I am convinced Bush would have altered his disreputable behavior.\n\nRemember when Mr. Bush chose his leftist, radical, pro-abortion feminist friend Harriet Meir\'s for U.S. Supreme Court Justice?  There was a massive outcry from conservatives, from conservative Christian activists and leaders.  Bush quickly retreated.  He suddenly withdrew his nomination.\n\nGeorge W. Bush does evil to God\'s people and to God\'s land.  What do we hear?\n\nSILENCE.  \n\nNow are you going to tell me, ak, dc, we Americans are not guilty before the Almighty for George W. Bush\'s crimes against Him and his land?\n\nIs that what you are telling me?  \n\nNo.  The entire nation stands guilty before God.  That\'s the way I see it.\n\nAmerica is becoming an evil, reprobate nation.  Why should God bless America?");
AddReply(365773,"larry/steve","ak","dc","11/27/08","Larry, I agree completely with your take on Christianity, but as for bowing to foreign rulers I think you should pick your battles and not throw your life away foolishly.\n\nSteve, the President does what he wants or his backers want and doesn\'t care about popular opinion, isn\'t that clear to you?  People protest all the time and it doesn\'t matter.  People protested at the GOP convention and were arrested and some were beaten.  It did absolutely nothing.  What exactly do you want us to do?  When you speak about your activities, it consists of you contacting a bunch of fake Christian Constantine/ Athanasius types using Christianity to control people politically.  What is the point of that?  Do you think they care in the least what you think?  And as for blaming the Germans, we have now extremely dangerous economic conditions, possibly similar to what triggered fascism in Germany, do you care?  Or do you wait until people don\'t have food or shelter, when desperation makes them cruel, when the people who tried to stop it are arrested, and after all is said and done, then point fingers?  People like Doug Noland and Bill Bonner were warning people ten years ago, did you listen?  If people do nothing when problems are easily fixable and they have nothing to fear, why expect them to do something when the Gestapo are everywhere?");
AddReply(365711,"interesting","Joanna","US","11/27/08","Thanks to everyone for their contribution to this exchange of ideas. \n\nI think this is part of where my frustration comes in. The Merchant of Venice is not synonymous with Christianity. And I don\'t think Jews SHOULD rely on Christians. That\'s why I  mentioned at the beginning of my statements that I think Hagee\'s citing of tens of millions of Christian supporters is very outlandishly wrong. It gives Israelis a false sense of hope and support. Israelis and Jews worldwide should rely on no one but God Almighty. There ARE supporters of Israel among the Christian community, but they\'re a source of support, not the end all, be all. \n\nAnd Christians aren\'t perfect. They make mistakes and commit sins, large and small, just like everybody else. Never put your trust entirely in people, they will disappoint you. \n\nThis reminds me of the scene in Exodus when Ari Ben Canaan reminds his friends (I can\'t remember their names right now) in Mandria\'s office that while the world cries that 6 million died, that they\'ll turn on the Jews again and that the Jews have no friends, just themselves. Okay, he said it better, but that\'s the jist of it. A lot, maybe most, people don\'t care too much about anything outside of their own lives, particularly anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. \n\nAnd I believe God will call them to account. \n\n");
AddReply(365628,"Joanna, you are right.  ak dc, sorry I do not think you understand.","Steve","Fla.","11/27/08","Joanna wrote: \"(God-fearing men and women) have an obligation to stand up against what God hates - including dividing the Land of Israel. They have many opportunities to do so, in letters to the editor, in letters to their church and synagogue leaders and denominations, in letters and calls to congressmen and the President, etc.\"\n\nExactly!  It is as simple as that.  I don\'t know how many people (including observant Jews) have told me over the years, we have no moral obligation to condemn evil or to condemn evil doers; publicly or otherwise.  Thus, according to this rationale, silence in the face of evil is fine, in the sight of God.\n\nBut isn\'t condemning evil and condemning wicked people (especially the powerful) a central theme of the Jewish Bible, the so-called \"Old Testament?\"  Isn\'t this what God required of His prophets?  How much more those of us who have this knowledge and this written record?\n\nMoses wrote: \"So you shall purge the evil from your midst.\" (Deu chapter 17)\n\nWhy shouldn\'t we hold the German people collectively responsible for Hitler\'s mass-genocide?   The only Germans that can plead innocent in the last day, are those that in some way defied Adolf Hitler.  Many Germans worshipped Herr Hitler.  Many were silent.\n\nThe same holds true here in the U.S.  If you (ak, dc)don\'t want to be lumped in with either group A or group B, then you had better distance yourself from both groups, A and B, otherwise why shouldn\'t I consider you part of group A and / or B?  Why shouldn\'t I consider you a part of group A and / or group B when you\'ve not distinguished yourself from either?  Rather than using logical equations or examples, let\'s talk in real terms, using real people and real examples; not hypotheticals, A, B and C.\n\nThis is the problem many of us have with our so-called \"moderate\" Muslims.  \n\nTheir protestations against the violent jihadists is deafening.  Where is the outrage?  Why aren\'t there organized protests?  Where are the letters to the editor.  Why aren\'t our Muslims defending Israel and condemning Islamic terror?\n\nSame holds true with American Christians. Christians, by and large, are silent, even as Bush does evil to Israel.  Their silence is palpable.  Silence is complicity.  Silence is collaboration.  That is why I hold the American people and the Christian church, in particular, collectively responsible for the evil Bush has done to God\'s people; to His land.  Americans will suffer for crimes of our leaders.\n\nAmericans and American Christians are either silent or worse, supportive.\n\nThere are very few exceptions.");
AddReply(365496,"steve and joanna","ak","dc","11/27/08","I hope I can get my point across coherently.\n\nI think part of our problem (humans) is we think too much in terms of groups, when in reality groups are composed of individuals.  And when we think in terms of groups, it dehumanizes us, for we are more than a stereotype or a collective, we are \"fearfully and wonderfully made.\"\n\nSo one person from Group A does something bad to Group B, and Group B is told to hate Group A.  Then one person from Group B does something bad to Group A, rinse and repeat.  The conflict expands as onlookers take sides, identifying the few bad eggs with the whole Group.  Meanwhile it turns out that it was only a few people causing trouble on each side.  In fact most people have their hands full with the basics of life to go looking for trouble.\n\nGroup A may call themselves a collective, but you will find among them the full spectrum of humanity, and the same with Group B.  Then Group A tells Group C that they have to support A and not B.  \n\nI\'m in Group C but we have little in common with each other and will never agree.  Meanwhile I see troublemakers claiming to be from either A or B or C causing misery to the poor people in A and B (as well as C).  So if someone says to me, why isn\'t your group doing this or that, what can I say, I don\'t want to be part of this group.  I want to find the good people from A or B or C or whatever group.\n");
AddReply(365453,"wait a minute","Joanna","USA","11/26/08","While we should obey the laws of the land and pray for our leaders, particularly that they would repent from their evil ways and turn to the Lord, I don\'t believe that God expects us to follow what He himself calls wrong. The Bible is filled with people who spoke out and acted out against ungodly authority. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is very clear about the issue of dividing His land and what He will do to those who try to divide it. Therefore, I don\'t believe He has any problem whatsoever with those who speak out against that very thing. I have no clue why Hagee and Bauer wouldn\'t speak out, and I don\'t care. They do not speak for me and hold no interest for me. They can answer to the Lord about that one. I don\'t believe in flattering and stroking the egos of anybody. That\'s why I could never be in politics. It works against my nature. So why these and other \"leaders\" are doing it, I don\'t know. They like their popularity and power, I guess. They like to be pleasing to men, not to God.\n\nI do believe that God is in control and allows all that happens for a reason. There\'s a verse in the NT, this is not a direct quote, but something to the effect that there are certain things that have to happen, but woe to those who play a part in it. I believe that applies to Bush and Rice, among others. This country is paying, and will continue to pay, a price for their actions and words against Israel. In the end, Israel will be standing, but the US, Europe, etc. won\'t. \n\nThose who call themselves the Lord\'s own have an obligation to stand up against what God hates - including dividing the Land of Israel. They have many opportunities to do so, in letters to the editor, in letters to their church and synagogue leaders and denominations, in letters and calls to congressmen and the President, etc. It\'s in these ways that you or others who are frustrated could contribute to changing things. Now probably all of this won\'t change presidential plans, or change most of media coverage regarding Israel. But, there\'s a quote I saw once that said \"we are not called to be victorious, we\'re called to be faithful.\"  And, at the end of the day, when those who speak out stand before the Judgment Seat of Almighty God, they\nwill have no regrets about not doing what they could.");
AddReply(365430,"Joanna/Steve Discourse","Larry","TA","11/26/08","I don\'t see any reason to place my faith in Chrstian religious leaders. You can look at this site, J Post, Israel Insider and others and see that even the majority of pro-Israel Evangelicals operate under a conversion agenda. It is their right to believe what they will, but why should I ever expect true friendship from those who believe that all Jews are lost until they convert to Christianity? This is nonsensical.\n\nNot only is it nonsensical, it is born out by most of my experiences in the US. I am sure there are many nice sayings in the \'New Testament\', but there is also a bedrock resentment of and dissing of Jews that is a clear result of the evolution of Christianity. Jewish Christians and Jewish Jews went to war over this theological issue, and when Jews fight...but beyond that, Christianity is the marriage between the \'evolved\', already distanced form of Jesus-worship and \'Rome\'; or Constantinople. Official Christianity mutated significantly the minute it became the state religion of Empire, but even Jesus himself demanded that Jews bow to the deified foreign rulers of Israel. There is great irony here, for Judaism is land-contained, Golah notwitshstanding. Judaism aims to mold the life of Jews in the Land of Israel, not to convert others. Well, there are some like Boteach who try to change this. There are also Jewish posters on some sites who try to counter-convert Christians.\n\nThere are multiple problems in relying on Evangelical support.\n\n1. Evangelicals are not Israelis, don\'t live in Israel (except for a small number), and their lives are not at stake.\n\n2. They believe in Replacement Theology, despite the denials.\n\n3. They are eternally frustrated with us for not converting, most that is.\n\nSteve seems bitterly disappointed in his fellow Americans. Until my freshman year in high school, I was the most American kid in the U.S., more or less. It was a Baptist from the San Joaquin valley and his rendition of the Merchant of Venice in Freshman English who helped \'explain\' to me that I could never be but a second-class citizen, at least culturally, in a Christian society. Many similar explanations in different forms have come since. Steve is not naive, and Joanna should understand that we can never trust Christians. The most Jews in the US or any state outside of Israel can do is trust in the force of civil law, Constitution, etc., which of course explains why so many Jews worship the law, civil rights, etc. Ironically, this too leads in many cases to support of de-facto anti-American and anti-Jewish elements within the US.\n\nThere is only one nation in which Jews can enjoy the majority rights protections that most American Christians take for granted. Sadly, Israeli society has a ways to go to truly accept free speech and political self-determination, especially on the part of nationalists and religious-nationalists. But that is another story, for another time - one that has been discussed on these pages many many times.");
AddReply(365287,"Joanna: how can I help the church or individual Christians?","Steve","Fla.","11/26/08","Watch the second video from the top in the piece above, \"The infiltration and destruction of America.\"\n\nNotice the particular verse this minister quoted to prove American Christians will stand by and follow an Adolf Hitler if and when he is elected U.S. president.  \n\nPerhaps this is part of the reason why Christians and Christian leaders will not condemn George W. Bush for all the evil he has done; for all the judgment he has brought on this nation.  \n\nA couple of years back, I asked Pastor John Hagee, Gary Bauer and Christians United For Israel (CUFI) officers to author and send President Bush and the Republicans a formal resolution (from CUFI) urging the Administration to abandon its efforts to divide Israel, in order to avert Godly judgment on America.  The resolution would establish the right of Jews to build and to live anywhere in the land of (Biblical) Israel.\n\nI sent them a model resolution.  It was good one.  Pastor Hagee and CUFI refused to issue such a resolution.  Why? \n\nPerhaps the answer lies in the writings or letters of Christian church father and author Paul.  Paul instructs the Christian believer to pray for evil leaders; to place themselves in subjection to evil rulers.  He commands the Christian believer to obey evil leaders because they were established by God. \n\nHow can I help individual Christians when they believe these lies?  The prophet wrote: \"To the law (Torah) and to the testimony!  If they do not speak according to this word, they have no dawn.\"  (Isaiah chapter 8 vs. 20)\n\nLast week a couple of devout Christians called in to on our local radio saying, \"Christians must pray for President B. Hussein Obama.  I called one of these men off the air.  I asked him, where do you find this mandate in the Christian bible to pray for evil doers?  There is no command in the Jewish bible to pray for evil leaders or to pray for our enemies.  He gave me the following:\n \n1) Rom 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. \n \nTherefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves....\n \nMore to the point:\n\n2) 1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of ALL men, \n \nFOR KINGS and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. \n \nThis is good and acceptable in the sight of god our savior.... \n");
AddReply(365102,"I don\'t like them either","Joanna","USA","11/25/08","I despise cowards also. But most of what you quoted wasn\'t a Christian response, it was a US govt response. And, unfortunately, most Christian leaders that aren\'t silent follow the lead of the MSM, the culture, and the govt and going with what\'s popular - bash Israel. \n\nMaybe instead of bashing individual Christians who are not vocal for Israel and blaming them for what power hungry govt and Church leaders do, you could help them by providing useful, practical tips that they can use in their communities and families to make a dent in the MSM (which are pretty much non-Christian, by the way) and mainstream culture\'s promotion of Israel-hatred.");
AddReply(364955,"Joanna: I despise cowards","Steve","Fla.","11/25/08","This is a land full of cowards; from the greatest (in the White House) to the least of them.  This nation has become a nation of moral cowards.  You wonder why I pray for God\'s vengeance against this nation and her leaders?  Where is the church?  As it was during the Holocaust; Silent.\n\nBehold, exhibit #1:\n\nNov 24, 2008 22:52 | Updated Nov 24, 2008 23:07 \n\n\'US warns Israel against large IDF ops\'\n\nThe US has requested that Israel refrain from embarking on any large-scale operations during the last weeks of the George W. Bush administration, Time magazine reported Monday evening. \n\nThe magazine quotes an unnamed Israeli source at the Defense Ministry as saying, \"We have been warned off.\" \n\nIDF officials hinted in the past that a preemptive attack on Iran\'s nuclear installations might be timed to take place before the inauguration of US President-elect Barack Obama. Obama is slated to take office on January 20. \n\nThe request, reportedly relayed to Israeli officials by senior US counterparts, was likely to be reiterated on Monday during Prime Minister Ehud Olmert\'s last meeting with Bush with both leaders still serving as of heads of state. \n\nThe call for restraint, according to Time, also included a request to avoid a large incursion into the Gaza Strip.....\n\nTalkback #20. I agree with American policy \n\nThere should be no large scale incursion into Gaza. Cutting supplies, using the IAF and changing the return fire policy to include targeting rocket origin will be enough to deter hamas. Israel does not have the power to go it alone vis a vis Iran. If the Americans, Russian\'s, Chinese and EU will not use their military to halt Iran then Israel can not go in alone. Israel\'s airforce is too small, it\'s payload too light and can not take the losses. Israel has long ago given up suprise. Too many talkers from Olmert on down. \nRon - US (11/25/2008 01:48) \n");
AddReply(364758,"If you don\'t want the warnings talk to Hashem not me.","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","11/24/08","I do as I\'m told by the powers of Hashem. If you don\'t want the warnings talk Hashem, not me I\'m powerless to stop, what I\'m told to say.\nShalom, Shalom, Yosef ");
AddReply(364747,"wow Steve","Joanna","USA","11/24/08","This subject stirs a lot of frustration and animosity in you and I am sorry, truly. I\'m not being sarcastic or anything else. I AM sorry. One of the problems with Christians is that they don\'t read the Bible enough. I agree with that. But I guess this is one of the areas in which we speak 2 different languages. The New Testament has Life and Truth and Joy in it, if people would just live their lives as the Bible tells us to. Genesis 12:3 is probably one of the most well known OT verses, particularly in the Christian Zionist world. I don\'t believe that Christians hate God. I think we disappoint God because we don\'t always live up to what He asks of us. I think many Christians are blinded to what\'s going on in the world, particularly when it comes to Israel because they don\'t read their Bibles. When we don\'t fill our daily lives with the Word of God, then we are subject to any passing fad or false teaching that comes along. \n\nYou asked what I find wholly foreign in what\'s written at times on this site. Well, sir, the Christianity which you describe in your Talkbacks. ");
AddReply(364736,"when is he going to throw out the bums in tapuach?","to 12","","11/24/08","");
AddReply(364694,"#20","Melinda Lehan","Smalltown,U.S","11/24/08","I was watching on the internet yesterday same thing a man discussing his book about that he was rather atheistic minded and quasi-spiritual but he was discussing the anagram of the name Mabus. Do you think Mabus can be a shortenned version of Muhammad Abbas quite close? I\'m enjoying my vac, w/ my family here in Va before we go back to Ok. but I stopped to catch in what ya were discussing.");
AddReply(364642,"Joseph #23: Why do you think you are not wanted in Israel?","Steve","Fla.","11/24/08","");
AddReply(364598,"Joanna #18: I don\'t know what you mean by foreign","Steve","Fla.","11/24/08","You wrote: \"What\'s always interesting to me is that when I read the vast majority of news and opinions on A7, I agree wholeheartedly. But whenever I see something about Christianity, I\'m reading something wholly foreign to me and what I believe. That is why I get so frustrated.\"\n\nI am not sure what you mean by foreign.  Can you explain this?\n\nHaving listened to Tamar and Tovia debate the matter, on this, I tend to fall into Tovia\'s camp.\n\nAs I heard it, Tamar takes a more optimistic and hopeful view of the basic goodness of mankind.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Like Tovia, I tend to be more melancholy and pessimistic.  I also believe in \"collective responsibility.\"   For example, the German people were collectively responsible for the actions of the Nazis.  The American people are collectively responsible for the actions of our leaders, etc.\n\nI don\'t know what is being taught in the Christian church today.  Judging by the state of Christendom here in the U.S., it is not the word of God.  If Christians only read the Christian Bible, I would submit there is no life it it.  \n\nThis is why we see America in the sorry state that it is in today; because Christians only read the NT, if even that.  I\'m not saying there is no truth in the NT.  It\'s just that it is so very hard to find.\n\nOn the other hand, the Jewish Bible is full of life and truth.  How many Christians read the Jewish Bible today?  I wonder.  How many Christians read Genesis 12:3?  \"I will bless those who bless you and the one who curses you, I will curse.  And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed....\" (?)  God spoke this to the patriarch Abraham.  Do American Christians think God is a liar?\n\nThus we have an accursed nation led by accursed men who hate the Almighty God.  I don\'t recognize Christians here in America as Godly or a God-fearing people. Instead, I see a nation full of disobedient people (Christians) who despise the God of Israel.\n\nYou want to know what frustrates me?  This frustrates me; I live in a nation full of people that hate God.");
AddReply(364535,"I\'m uncertain why I should move to Israel as you didn\'t want me there.","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","11/24/08","I Never Go Where I\'m Not Wanted. You\'ve never been overly friendly about my moving to Israel, we\'ve discussed this before when I could still feel.\nI believe I prefer it this way, this state of non-feeling it\'s for that reason that you don\'t want me to write to you under Tamary so be it.");
AddReply(364527,"I\'m not emotional abot what I stated it\'s merely what I said.","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","11/24/08","How ever I agree with your Sunday guest, Peace for Peace/ Not Land for Peace, that hasn\'t and or won\'t work period.\nShalom, Shalom, Yosef ");
AddReply(364526,"I was just trying to help!","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","11/24/08","Dear Lady:\nIf you don\'t want my help it\'s up to you, I was told to give warnings, so I do as I\'m told but it is up to you.\nIf you don\'t want the help contact your friend I\'m sure that she\'s so much more adapt at it than I am.\nIf that be the course then that\'s fine.\nShalom, Shalom, Yosef ");
AddReply(364524," Those who might be interested","satch","UK","11/24/08","in download/reading \"Today in bible prophecy\" has popular bible scholars answering todays headlines paralleling with bible prophecy. [This concerns us All!] Todays topic is the possibility of Barak Hussein Obama being the Antichrist according to scripture of the things about the coming man of sin.  The signs of the times are quickly coinsiding with the last days and isn\'t to be cast aside fragrantly.  The world is in turmoil in many ways and only our Creator can help.");
AddReply(364498,"HA-MAKOM","karen","shreveport","11/24/08","THEY SAY THE PLACE TO BE IN \nTHE SOUTH.\nALSO THE PLACE WHERE THEY TRY TO CONVERT JEWS TO THE OTHER SIDE.\nPLEASE SAY IT AIN,T  SO------------------------.");
AddReply(364459,"thanks to clear-headed and steve","Joanna","USA","11/23/08","My thanks to both of you for your responses. \n\nSteve- I don\'t like Hagee for reasons not even relating to Israel. The only reason I mentioned him is that he often likes to say that there are 10s of millions of evangelicals in America who are serious friends of Israel and supporters of Israel. I think he is VERY VERY far off the mark with his numbers and is giving Israelis a false sense of security about all their many many friends in the US. I was showing my general agreement with someone\'s statement (I\'m sorry, I can\'t remember offhand who specifically said it) that Israel has few Christian friends in the US. (It\'s only a general agreement because I think the true number is somewhere between the \"few\" mentioned and the 50  million Hagee and his ilk cite.)\n\nWhat\'s always interesting to me is that when I read the vast majority of news and opinions on A7, I agree wholeheartedly. But whenever I see something about Christianity, I\'m reading something wholly foreign to me and what I believe. That is why I get so frustrated. \n\nI feel like, on this topic at least, that we are speaking 2 different languages, which saddens me and frustrates me as well.");
AddReply(364411,"something is fishy about that story...","Adam","Monsey, NY","11/23/08","...most ATMs (at least in the U.S.) have a limit as to how much money can be drawn at once.  So, unless this couple were down to a few hundred dollars, it doesn\'t make any sense that they were able to drain the whole account.\n\nSecondly - who would suddenly \"forget\" their PIN?  If my got a text from my wife\'s phone like that, I\'d probably CALL her and want to hear her voice.\n\nThirdly - usually people make up PINs that are related to something in their life.  So, if your PIN is, say, the birthdate of your first child, if your spouse texts you \"I forgot, what\'s our PIN again?\"\n\nStep one - CALL and confirm your spouses\' voice.\n\nStep two - say to your spouse, \"Our pin is our first child\'s birthday\" or \"my father\'s age and your mother\'s age\" or whatever you made it.  That\'s much safer than texting it or even blurting it out on a cell phone (people can and do listen in to cell phone calls).");
AddReply(364394,"Joanna #42 (ref. 11/11/08 article below)","Steve","Fla.","11/23/08","You wrote below: \"Now, I do agree that Israel does not have as many Christian friends in America as Hagee and others like to profess (50-70 million Christian supporters? I believe that is an outlandishly false estimate). \n\n\"Please stop being so offensive with these broad generalizations.\"\n\nI am thinking perhaps you are referring to me?  Maybe you could help me understand my offensive generalizations.  \n\nLet\'s begin with Pastor John Hagee (Christians United For Israel) as an example because he is a good one.\n\nI do not believe Pastor John Hagee is a true friend to Israel.  I have good reason for saying this.  I have personal reasons for saying this.  I have been in contact with John Hagee through his aid and with at least one other prominent CUFI officer.\n\nI do not believe John Hagee is very well thought of by the savior he professes to worship.  I have reason to believe Pastor Hagee worships other gods, gods of wood and gods of stone -- images of elephants and other graven images.  Pastor Hagee, in my view does not serve the Holy One of Israel or His servant.  ");
AddReply(364381,"I was scammed.","Steve","Fla.","11/23/08","I never thought it would happen to me.\n\nI voted for George W. Bush in 2000, thinking he was a conservative Republican.  Bush claimed he was a \"born again\" Christian, whatever that is; I\'m not sure.\n\nMy Gosh did Bush and the Republicans ever scam me!  I invested some of my hard-earned money in the market; in mutual funds.\nNow it is nearly worthless.\n\nBush has done nothing but curse Israel -- Abraham\'s offspring -- with full Republican party, conservative Christian. conservative talk radio, etc., backing and blessing.\n\nI heard a caller last week, complain to Rush Limbaugh that he is responsible for the resounding defeat because he carried water for Bush all these years, even when Bush betrayed conservative principles.  Limbaugh treated the call like it was a joke.\n\nIn my view, God has cursed this nation in return for Bush and Republicans cursing Abraham.  Still Republicans stand by this evil man!\n\nAmericans voted for Bush and now they voted for Barack Hussein Obama.  I did not vote for Obama.  \n\nI guess we get the government we deserve.  Obama scammed America.  Other than supporting withholding medical care from children born alive as a result of a botched abortion, I am not sure what this guy feels passionately about.  Maybe he feels passionately for the \"palestinian\" cause?\" \n\nI think Obama scammed the American people.  Maybe the American people deserve to be scammed?");
AddReply(364299,"Mr. Pollard and the war in Israel.","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","11/23/08","Mr. Pollard is a baganing chip only when he\'s no more use to the US against the US will they even consider turning him lose.\nObama is the Key to this next war in Israel. Your guest that talked about the black opps helicopters is another Ket as what he was speaking of is simple only after a serous attemp to get Obama will he turn and show his true colors.\nIt\'ll be done by and Arab but it be made to look like a Jews carried this out.\nHis youth group which is simular to the ones run by Hitler, won\'t be shut down they\'ll be there to do what ever he wants.\nI can address this fine but I can\'t spice this in with the others they have to remain the way that they\'re sent to you.\nI have a question of you, well not really do you know what a Tetrahedra is, if not look it up as I do know.\nHashem is the only way that Israel will be saved from the ravages of war.\nSorry but I\'m running out of space.\n");
AddReply(364068,"To Joanna (#42 on “Love is Stronger”)","Clear-headed","USA","11/21/08","I am sorry to hear that you’re so frustrated with my statements in the prior TB’s.  I was very careful to qualify what I wrote about American Christianity with the words “most”, “many”, and “some.”  Taken at face value, those words indicate that I was not intending to speak on behalf of ALL American Christians, only that I was observing what I have seen in the lives of “some”, “most”, or “many” of them.  I have never met ALL of them.  How could I possibly deign to speak for each one of them and paint broad generalizations about them?  I couldn’t.  And in my TB I didn’t.\n\nI am glad to hear that you don’t believe Bush and Rice are friends of Israel and that Israel is more than a blip on the radar for you.  That speaks well of you.  Actually what I wrote is that for “many…Christians Israel is NOT even a blip on the radar.”  Did you carefully read what I wrote or just skim it quickly?\n\nAs my Dad used to say, “If the shoe fits, then wear it.”  On the other hand, if the shoe doesn’t fit, then don’t even try it on!  In this case, what I wrote obviously doesn’t apply to you, so there’s no need to be offended.  ;o)\n");
AddReply(363959,"A major scam that\'s going to be perpetrated soon:","Daniel Pinner","Kfar Tapuach","11/21/08","There is a highly successful con artist in Israel. He looks like Binyamin Netanyau, talks like Binyamin Netanyau, sounds like Binyamin Netanyau, and heads the Likud like Binyamin Netanyau. Like Binyamin Netanyau, he promises not to give away the Golan or Jerusalem, that he will fight against terrorism, not collaborate with the Hamas, etc.\n\nBE CAREFUL OF HIM! If he cons you into getting elected, he will try to give the Golan to Syria, Jerusalem to Arab terrorists (either El Fatah or Hamas), and try to throw every Jew over the \"Green Line\" out of his/her home. (This includes Jews in French Hill, Neve Ya\'akov, Talpiyot, and Gilo.)\n\nYOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!");
AddReply(363947,"I just remembered another scam...","tamaryonah","","11/21/08","Always make sure when paying by credit card, that when you give the card to be swiped by the cashier, that you CHECK your card when he/she hands it back.  I have heard of scams, where cashiers have a set of old expired cards from different companies: MasterCard, Visa, AmEx, etc...  and when they take your card, and you are not watching, maybe you are scrambling around in your purse or wallet, or taking the new bag of your purchases off the counter, they take your card and hand you back an old expired card of someone else\'s.  \n\nMost people don\'t look, and just take the card handed to them, and stick it back in their wallet.  \n\nALWAYS make sure, when you get your card back, that you check to see that YOUR name is on the card, and that it is not a replaced, stolen, old, card of someone else\'s.");
AddReply(363941,"Phone Police or Authoritive Source First","","Canada","11/21/08","THINK ABOUT IT...\nIf there was an accident the Police would be the first to notify the family \n\nNext: No authentic authority would telephone children with such information and again the Police & Social Services would come to the home for the safety of the children\n\nNever give out key information about or any identity over the telephone\n\nAlways check with Crime Stoppers International about scams   \n\nAlways make sure you cover the pin machine with your hand while punching in a pin number of a bank card because most stores have cameras that can video record your action. Some stores have people who are scammers and may even record your card number, create a duplicate card and then use the pin number they video recorded.\n\nThe economic crisis is such that all the dens of thieves will be operating full tilt.\n\nNever apply for any credit card by telephone. \n\n");
AddReply(363915,"More data ","Stella","Canada","11/21/08","Hi Tamar,\nA friend had sent this to me. The Canadian govt and the RCMP have a lot more data on these scams.\nOne has just to type the appropriate word/s, and so much comes on.\nThe world we live in today, is one in which we have to be very careful of ploys by unscrupulous people.\n \nThanks Tamar, for posting it.  We have to watch out for one another.\nG-d BLess you.\nstella.\n\n");
AddReply(363813,"Amazing who gullable people are","ROGER","MINNEAPOLIS, MN","11/20/08","Consider how many fell for the recent \"Vote Democrat\" scam.  Too soon to determine the cost, yet.  Unfortunately, I fell for the competing \"Vote Republican\" scam your years ago...\n\nHaShem, HELLLLLLLP!");
AddReply(363801,"toda, Dan","shoshana","Netanaya","11/20/08","Have you ever thought of doing stand up? Thanks for the laugh. It felt delightful.....");
AddReply(363766,"another scam","Marilym","Chicago","11/20/08","This recently happened to a friend of mine, in Cgo.....a very educated woman (mentioned that just to show that it can happen to anyone).\n\nShe received a phone call and a very rushed voice said, \"Grandma, I am up here in Canada and i just had an automobile accident.\"  \"Andrew?  Andrew?  Is that you?\" she called out (thus giving information to the caller.  He told her that yes, indeed it was Andrew and he needed money to repair the car and be able to return to Cgo.\n\nShe never even wondered why he was calling her and not his parents....do we reallythink when we are in the middle of a crisis?\n\nHe told her where to send $10,000 and she sent it off immediately.\n\nA few hours later he called again and said he needed another $10,000 as a passenger in his car had been injured and they needed to pay the hospital to get him out.\n\nHowever, this time her husband was home and they had already discussed the situation so she was calmer about it and asked further questions.\n\nWell, she didn\'t send it the second time and it was impossible to get back the first ten thousand.\n\nI never, ever give out information over the phone.  I think Tamar\'s advice to get \"angry\" sounds very good....perhaps it gives one time to think logically.");
AddReply(363684,"I recieve at least 3 Sweepstakes","les","Ayr","11/20/08","winner emails every week and nobody seems able to halt them from continuing.  I remember my first several years ago asking me to help recover a great amount of money that heirs never claimed after a plane crash killing the whole family!  I was so tempted out of sympathy but caught myself asking ?  Remember that you can\'t win a Sweepstakes when you never entered one!   Never pay up front to get money deposited into your bank account you, nor any info. that can be used to access your valuables.  Calls at time will direct you to place calls out of the country to area codes that will charge you thousands of dollars for just a few minutes.  The phone company can\'t recover the cost since you dialed the number!   Deception is a major issue mentioned of the last days before Hamashiach returns!  Therefore Watch,-- be dilligent observe and be on guard for your family and yourself.");
AddReply(363661,"I get an email all the time","Torres Silva, Juan","durango","11/20/08","It states I have inherited six million pounds sterling, or something like that. It looks very official from the united kingdoms. to caim this amount i must call a certain number in the united kingdoms. this must be a scam, My family is came from spain five or maybe six hundred years past, and has no family in the united kingdoms.\n\nSort of funny, but sad there are such bad people out there who put more effort into criminal activities, than to work honest like it says in the bible.\n\nthey must not be that smart to scam me, I have nothing for them to take from me. thank you");
AddReply(363648,"Top Warning Signs of a Sweepstakes Scam","anon","","11/20/08","By Sandra Grauschopf, About.com\n\nWinning a large sweepstakes prize is a dream come true for many people. However, that dream can quickly turn into a nightmare if the win notification was actually a sweepstakes scam. The consequences of sweepstakes scams can be severe. By learning to recognize the top warning signs of a sweepstakes scam, you can avoid becoming a victim of fraud.\n\n\n1. Sweepstakes Scams Require You Pay to Receive the Prize\nLegitimate sweepstakes will never ask you to pay fees to participate or to receive a prize. You should never have to pay handling charges, service fees, or any other kind of charges up front to receive a win - those are sure signs of sweepstakes scams.\n\nSweepstakes taxes are paid directly to the IRS along with your regular tax return, except for rare exceptions such as paying for port fees or hotel taxes. For more information, read the article, \"Top Questions about Sweepstakes Taxes.\"\n\n2. Sweepstakes Scams Use Free E-mail Accounts\nIt\'s possible that some smaller, legitimate sweepstakes sponsors could notify you with a free email address. But if you receive a win notice claiming to be from a big company like Publishers Clearing House or Microsoft, but the email arrived from a free account like Hotmail or Gmail, you can be sure that you are working with a sweepstakes scam.3. Sweepstakes Scams Tell You You\'ve Won - But You Don\'t Recognize the Contest\nYou can only win sweepstakes that you enter. This is another reason why it makes so much sense to organize your sweepstakes entries; when you receive a notification, you can easily check to make sure that you actually entered that sweep.\n\nTo be absolutely sure, look up the telephone number for the sweepstake sponsor, and call and verify your winnings. Do not use a telephone number given in your win notification unless you can verify that it is legitimate from another source like a phone book.\n\n4. Sweepstakes Scams Send You a Large Check with your Notification\nTo fool people into thinking that a sweepstakes scam is legitimate, many con artists send counterfeit checks along with their phony win notifications. Cashing fraudulent checks is a crime, and you could be liable for fines and even closure of your bank account, as well as losing any money you wire. Legitimate sweepstakes require affidavits before sending out any prize valued at more than $600. \n\nWhy Do I Have to Fill Out an Affidavit After Winning Sweepstakes?\n5. Sweepstakes Scams Instruct You to Wire Money\nCriminals love to use services like Western Union to receive illicit funds, because it is nearly impossible to trace who received the money. Western Union transfers are handled like cash, and it is nearly impossible to get back any money that you send to con artists in this way. In the few cases where you have to pay money to a sponsor, you would not be required to use a wire service.\n\n6. Sweepstakes Scams Pressure You to Act in a Hurry\nSweepstakes scammers have a very good reason for wanting you to act quickly: they want to ensure that they receive their money before their check bounces or you read an article like this one and realize that you are being defrauded. If you feel like you are being pressured to make a decision before you have the time to ensure that the win is legitimate, you should be very suspicious. In some cases, a sponsor might need a quick answer (for example, if they are giving away tickets for a concert that weekend), but you should always have at least a few hours to investigate the notification. If there is no good reason for a rush to accept a prize, then it\'s probably a sweepstakes scam.\n\n7. Sweepstakes Scams Require Bank or Credit Card Info to Receive Your Prize\nLegitimate sweepstakes do not send wins by direct deposit, nor do they need to withdraw money from your bank or verify information using your credit card number. The only sensitive information that a legitimate sweepstakes sponsor needs to process your win is a social security number. Asking for a bank account or credit card number is a huge red flag that you are dealing with a sweepstakes scam, and you should never hand over this information.\n\n8. The \"Win\" is From a Lottery\nIt is impossible to win a lottery without buying a ticket, and even in that case, you\'d have to find the winning numbers in a newspaper, the internet, or on TV and compare them to your ticket; the lottery does not contact you to tell you that you won. If your win notification says you\'ve won a lottery, you can be quite sure that it\'s really a sweepstakes scam. \n\nWin notices from foreign lotteries are even more suspicious. Not only do foreign lotteries have the same restriction as domestic lotteries, but it is also illegal to sell tickets for foreign lotteries across international borders. Therefore, unless you were actually in a foreign country and bought a lottery ticket, foreign lottery notifications are surely sweepstakes scams.\n\n9. Sweepstakes Scams Often Don\'t Use Your Name\nEspecially in the case of email win notifications, many sweepstakes scams send thousands upon thousands of fake emails to every address they can get their hands on - often without knowing the name of the people they\'re contacting. If your win notice has a generic salutation like \"Dear Sir\" it\'s a good indication that it\'s a sweepstakes scam.10. Sweepstakes Scams Can Pose As Government Organizations\nTo appear more legitimate, some sweepstakes scams pretend to come from government organizations such as the FTC or the \"National Sweepstakes Board\" (which doesn\'t actually exist). Real sweepstakes sponsors, however, send their win notifications directly to the winners. Government organizations are not involved in awarding sweepstakes prizes.\n\n11. Sweepstakes Scam Notifications Are Usually Sent Via Bulk Mail\nWhen a legitimate sweepstakes sponsor sends out win notifications, they want to ensure that the information arrives at the winners\' doors in a reasonable amount of time. To make sure this happens, they use first class postage or services such as FedEx or UPS to deliver notifications. (Read more about prize notification methods.)\n\nSweepstakes scam artists, on the other hand, want to target the most people for the least cost in order to keep their profits high. They send scam letters out by bulk mail to take advantage of the postage savings. For this reason, you should never trust a win notification that arrives by bulk mail.\n\n12. Sweepstakes Scams Contain Many Typos\nIt\'s possible that any company could make a mistake when typing out a win notification. However, glaring errors in spelling, grammar, and punctuation should set off red flags in your mind. Many sweepstakes scams originate outside of the United States and Canada and are created by people with poor command of the language. Be very cautious of any win notices that have a lot of errors.");
AddReply(363643,"heee heee heee Dan #1 .  Excellent.","aveeeeeee","jerusalem","11/20/08","dan, 2nd one, w/ kadima was excellent. heee heee heee");
AddReply(363535,"Some recent phone & email scams","Dan","Jerusalem","11/20/08","Some recent scams:\n\nWe are bank officials. We hope to have access to $700 Billion, but we urgently need $100 million to bribe congress to pass the rescue bill. Please wire us the required funds immediately.\nSincerely,\nBen & Hank\n\nHello, we have bad news, your country has been in a terrible accident and is in intensive care, please call this number 1-800-KADIMA ");

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