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AddReply(317846,"Velvel (45)","sk","USA","06/24/08","\"45. Also sk, why do you invoke black civil rights movement?\nDo gays not have civil rights in Israel?\"\n\nNot fully, no.  Gays cannot openly live in their capital city, they cannot marry, they do not have inheritance rights, they cannot adopt, etc., and they require police protection if they assert their right to complain about their situation by marching in their capital.\n\nIt\'s very significant, by the way, that when blacks were slaves in America, they could not marry under the same laws as whites.\n\nNo, gays do not live under the full weight of Jim Crow in Israel, obviously.  But I do think they do not have full rights either.  My point was to criticize supposely value-neutral rules (e.g. \"I don\'t support straight pride either!\") that are in fact very onesided.");
AddReply(317844,"Velvel 44","sk","USA","06/24/08","\"44. No sk, I don\'t think it\'s a game to trick haredim.\nIt\'s not about begging to the court or giving it legitimacy. .. The reason edah haredit said not to protest and focus instead on learning is because last time there were pre-emptive attacks by the police on haredim prior to the event. They figure it\'s not worth the beating. But I guess if they can get the court to do stop it for them, it\'s worth a shot.\"\n\nHuh?  I think you misunderstand my point.  The court will not stop it, and the Haredi elite know that perfectly well.  Every time a court rules against one\'s position, that reinforces the court\'s right to rule on the matter and it worsens one\'s prospects in the future.  Any lawyer will tell you this.  The kabuki theater involves puffing up this comparatively minor issue (compared to others that I have mentioned) to score piety points.  Whenever $ha$, for example, feels the heat, out comes some outrageous bit of gay bashing.\n\n\"You can say \"you don\'t give a damn\" that the religious don\'t want gay parades in Israel, ok, but so can the religious also say to you \"the religious don\'t give a damn\" about your want/need to have a parade.\"\n\nRight, so why exactly should gay Israeli Jews defer to the religious and not the other way around?  What\'s in it for them?  Indeed, every inch the religious get leads them to ask for another-the final \"achievement\" will be Tel Aviv, I expect.  It\'s better from a gay Israeli perspective for the religious to continue to lose on this issue (and they will).  However, it\'s much more advantageous for the Jewish people as a whole not to continue this particular battle.  All the Haredim have to do is either keep away (which means the march will be to an empty area) or PEACEFULLY counter-protest (which will make the experience unpleasant for the marchers).  I think the latter is more effective, though I could be wrong.  These approaches will keep the march small, as it will not be fun, and most marchers, not being as ideological as the ringleaders, will skip it.\n  \n\"Just as in a Jewish state there should not be a chametz parade on Passover, or a pork-eating contest in the public square, there should also not be a gay parade. In a Jewish state. Now argue all you want that \"it isn\'t a Jewish state\" and we both know this, but that doesn\'t mean people [SEE BELOW -sk] don\'t want it to be, and it doesn\'t mean that just because the leftists bring goyim in and give welfare to enemy Arabs, expel Jews from homes, etc doesn\'t mean everyone will just throw in the towel and say, oh well it\'s a socialist \"enlightenment\" state like the elites wanted, forget yom kippur, let\'s adopt the left\'s value system and get on with it.\"\n\nWho are the \"people\" you refer to?  Most Israelis Jews do NOT want to live according to Halacha; what they want is to make a good living, not to be threatened from without, and to live their lives as they see fit.  If you don\'t like that, create Medinat Yehudah.  I do not call on anyone to adopt the left\'s value system.  I say that there are only two practical alternatives for Medinat Israel:  the Bolshevik present or a democratic republic.  The latter could curtail the most serious abuses by the former.\n\n\n\n\"But in their own communities many have made private, separate beaches for men and women. And in their own communities where this is standard operating procedure, they do not expect young ladies from tel aviv to start running around the men\'s side in bikinis as \'streakers\' to crash the haredi party so to speak. So too, it would be inappropriate to have gay parades or bacon eating contests in religious areas, especially Jerusalem. IDEALLY religious would like if they were not held in Israel at all. But realistically, they have a right to try to prevent them in their own backyard and their own communities or the holy capital.\"\n\nI\'m sorry, but Jerusalem is not \"their own backyard.\"  It is the biggest city in Israel, and it is the capital, housing a most unholy government as well as Amalek on the Temple Mount.  As the capital city, it is everyone\'s backyard.  LEARN IT already, Velvel.\n\n\"That you compare a picture of one\'s family on their OWN DESK to a public gay-parade is completely illogical.\"\n\nI say that the march is a \"concentration\" of the flaunting of heterosexuality that straight people do every day.  The picture on a desk AT WORK is diluted flaunting.  (Oh, Velvel, whatever my shortcomings, being illogical is not one of them.)\n\n\"When you say \'What a march does is make visible what is usually kept invisible-\' If that is the case, then a religious Jew would argue that it is best kept invisible. When it is \'made visible\' it is promoting of \'gay culture\' and values, and this can be spread in society. Do you wish to missionize the gay culture to Jewish society?\"\n\nDon\'t you dare use the word \"missionize\" in this context, Velvel.  Gay people have every right to advocate for change, just as other groups have this right, including the religious.  Gay activists cannot create gays from straights, just as the religious cannot (obviously) create straights from gays.  If Israel is supposed to be for all Jews, it cannot be that some Jews are privileged and others must live as dhimmis.\n\n\"And why should Jews openly flaunt a private matter that is in CONTRADICTION with Jewish law? To \"test\" G-d?\"\n\nSexual orientation is not a private matter; it is a public matter.  I am getting annoyed at having to repeat myself.  Not all Jews want to live according to Orthodox views of Jewish law.  Why should such Jews be dhimmis in Israel?\n\n\"You promote a Jewish state with our own Jewish culture, yet at the same time you have no way to really define it. It seems you just want a Hebrewized version of America in the middle east. . . . Who exactly are we? Are we bound by G-d\'s law or aren\'t we, and if we\'re not, then what is a Jew exactly?\"\n\nObviously I do not find myself bound by God\'s law as you understand it.  However, I do not object to Halachic definitions of a \"Jew.\"  I see no way of squaring a diverse, Jewish population (not to mention universal aliyah) with the \"Jewish state\" you have in mind.  I also do not think that government support for religion is a good thing, as it corrupts both government and religion, which I think is painfully obvious in Israel today.  I say, squeeze the Muslims out of Israel, annex all territories, make government small and as inoffensive as possible, support radical free speech and assembly (for residents, who will be Jewish), and let families educate their children as they see fit.  In other words, have government keep as much out of the way as possible.  But if you want a Torah Republic, I\'d happily cede you Yesha, as most Israelis don\'t want it anyway.");
AddReply(317820,"Steve (43)","sk","USA","06/24/08","\"43. SK #38: We do not want any homosexual marches in the Holy Land.  March in LA, wherever. LA welcomes these marches to its discredit. Not in the Holy City. Thanks\"\n\nYou\'re welcome.  But why should gay Israeli Jews give a damn what you want?\n\nThanks.");
AddReply(317520,"Also sk, why do you invoke black civil rights movement?","Velvel","silver spring","06/24/08","Do gays not have civil rights in Israel?  \n");
AddReply(317516,"No sk, I don\'t think it\'s a game to trick haredim.","Velvel","silver spring","06/24/08","It\'s not about begging to the court or giving it legitimacy.  I would presume that most if not all religious Jews already know it has no legitimacy - especially haredim.  The reason edah haredit said not to protest and focus instead on learning is because last time there were pre-emptive attacks by the police on haredim prior to the event.   They figure it\'s not worth the beating.  But I guess if they can get the court to do stop it for them, it\'s worth a shot.\n\nYou can say \"you don\'t give a damn\" that the religious don\'t want gay parades in Israel, ok, but so can the religious also say to you \"the religious don\'t give a damn\" about your want/need to have a parade.\n\nJust to point out, couples holding hands or kissing in public is a goy thing.  But that\'s besides the point.  I don\'t understand why it matters that you made \"multiple arguments.\"  I only addressed one point.   Do you think that your magnificent \'multiple arguments\' have codified this discussion into stone with you as the ultimate victor?  There is a basic fact that you ignore.  Let me allude to it.\n\nJust as in a Jewish state there should not be a chametz parade on Passover, or a pork-eating contest in the public square, there should also not be a gay parade.  In a Jewish state.   Now argue all you want that \"it isn\'t a Jewish state\" and we both know this, but that doesn\'t mean people don\'t want it to be, and it doesn\'t mean that just because the leftists bring goyim in and give welfare to enemy Arabs, expel Jews from homes, etc doesn\'t mean everyone will just throw in the towel and say, oh well it\'s a socialist \"enlightenment\" state like the elites wanted, forget yom kippur, let\'s adopt the left\'s value system and get on with it.  \n\nYou wrote that you \"anticipated\" my point by asking \'is it in your face\' and then elaborating on this element.  I never claimed in my post that it\'s \'in your face.\'  I am stating a basic fact that RELIGIOUS JEWS DO NOT WANT A GAY PARADE IN ISRAEL.  Nothing more, nothing less (at that point).  You implied that this was a secret agenda on their part, hidden beneath their \"pretending\" to only oppose one in Jerusalem.  I\'m simply pointing out that it\'s not hidden.  Religious would prefer it not to be anywhere in Israel, I\'m reasonably sure.  They also don\'t want a chametz festival on pesach, or a pork eating contest, or a christmas tree like rockefeller center.  But they feel the same about half-naked mixed beaches in tel aviv, and they have no power or say to stop that.  But in their own communities many have made private, separate beaches for men and women.  And in their own communities where this is standard operating procedure, they do not expect young ladies from tel aviv to start running around the men\'s side in bikinis as \'streakers\' to crash the haredi party so to speak.  So too, it would be inappropriate to have gay parades or bacon eating contests in religious areas, especially Jerusalem.  IDEALLY religious would like if they were not held in Israel at all.  But realistically, they have a right to try to prevent them in their own backyard and their own communities or the holy capital.  \n\nThat you compare a picture of one\'s family on their OWN DESK to a public gay-parade is completely illogical.\n\nWhen you say \" What a march does is make visible what is usually kept invisible-\"   If that is the case, then a religious Jew would argue that it is best kept invisible.   When it is \"made visible\" it is promoting of \'gay culture\' and values, and this can be spread in society.  Do you wish to missionize the gay culture to Jewish society?  And why should Jews openly flaunt a private matter that is in CONTRADICTION with Jewish law?  To \"test\" G-d? \n\nFor you sk, haredim are wrong by default because their agenda is contrary to what you think is right, yet their basic belief system is for the most part in line with Jewish principles rather than against them.   This is a contradiction you seem unwilling to address.   You promote a Jewish state with our own Jewish culture, yet at the same time you have no way to really define it.  It seems you just want a Hebrewized version of America in the middle east.  And you think it would be ok to celebrate rejection of Jewish law by Jews in a purportedly Jewish state.  Who exactly are we?  Are we bound by G-d\'s law or aren\'t we, and if we\'re not, then what is a Jew exactly?");
AddReply(317509,"SK #38: We do not want any homosexual marches in the Holy Land.","Steve","Fla.","06/24/08","March in LA, wherever.  LA welcomes these marches to its discredit.  Not in the Holy City.  Thanks.");
AddReply(317438,"My apologies to Rob.","Steve","Fla.","06/23/08","I\'m sorry for my attitude Rob.  \n\nIf anything Tamar and Tovia are much too kind toward and soft on American leaders like George W. Bush.  America will suffer for Bush\'s crimes against Israel and the land of Israel. Yes crimes.\n\nI heard a member of the Republican Jewish Coalition interviewed on Tovia\'s program, supporting Bush as a friend of Israel.\n\nI gave Tovia a piece of my mind.  Probably Tovia never wants to hear from me again.\n\nI believe what Bush has done to Israel is evil.  He has turned America decidedly against Israel and has emboldened Israel\'s enemies in Europe; throughout the Middle East.  Bush has been the jihadists best friend when it come to Israel.\n\nMr. Bush has done much moral and spiritual damage to America.  For this he should be condemned.  For this I will never forgive him. \n\nIt is just possible Ariel Sharon is lying in a coma in a Tel Aviv hospital bed because he caved into Bush\'s immoral pressure.  We simply do not know.\n\nIn my view, all Bush got was a Hurricane and it wasn\'t even in Crawford, Texas.");
AddReply(317426,"Holiness where his name dwells","Melinda Lehan","Smalltown,U.S.","06/23/08","His holy presence once dwelled their the glory of the Lord filled temple.\nA heterosexual married man had to restrain from relations and bathe hisself to purify himself before he went up to temple to bring sacrifices,ask for forgiveness,pray to G-d. I think this is what I read in Deutoronomy. The men went up 3 times a year I think. A priest serving there could not marrya divorced woman.They couldn\'t be near any dead bodies.They priest couldn\'t\n touch women other than their immediate family.A person leperous or unclean could not stay there\namoung others a priest had to send them away. Do these gay people today know if they they have aids or other uncleanness in or on their bodies as they walk upon the streets where only the highest standards,rituals had to be kept?\nThe holy standards they held I know are far cry above these today.\nYet you believe S.K people engaging in fornication,sodomy,perverse acts and their rights should walk in that once  holy place.  What standards of holiness do you have? Do you think Jerusalem is a place for protesting or a holy place for Seeking G-d in prayer?");
AddReply(317319,"BTW, Velvel, ...","sk","USA","06/23/08","I have no doubt that the \"religious\" don\'t want a pride march.  You know what?  I don\'t give a damn.  And, if you understood anything that I have been saying for years now about the reforms that are needed in Israel, you would understand my position.\n\nThe \"secrecy\" here is that the events surrounding the march are part of a nasty little game played by the Haredim and their hangers on for Jewish brownie points.  Part of that game is complaining to the Court, which it knows full well will never ban the march.  But, it\'s nice PR for Israelis who do not see the game that\'s being played.");
AddReply(317318,"No, Velvel, Steve is not right; nor are you.","sk","USA","06/23/08","I don\'t see why you are unable to think subtly on this issue.\n\nYou say:\n\n\"Religious do not want sexual pride marches in Israel. They are not attempting to make a secret of this.\"\n\nWhich I anticipated:\n\n\"Back to marches. Are they \"in your face\"? Of course! But how many times do I have to say that heteros do not keep their heterosexuality in the bedroom either? You just don\'t notice it. Do you think, for example, that a marriage at the Great Synagogue is not a public display of heterosexuality? Every picture of one\'s family on one\'s desk is also such a display. Every mixed-sex stroll arm-in-arm is one.\"\n\n\"Your real gripe is that you want to be the only one to participate in such displays. Sorry, but that\'s not reasonable, and it\'s just too bad that your personal religion insists on such a lack of symmetry. What a march does is make visible what is usually kept invisible-particularly in Jerusalem. It is a concentration of what straight people enjoy routinely. You do not need marches because you do not endure invisibility, let alone discrimination. Thus when you say you do not support such marches hetero or homo, it is roughly equivalent to saying that you would not have supported black civil rights marches in the 60s any more than you would have supported white civil rights marches then.\"\n\nVelvel, why don\'t you try reading my essay seriously.  I make multiple arguments there regarding this event, and I don\'t see why I have to repeat myself.\n\nFrankly, one reason I can write such an essay is that I keep hearing, year in and year out, the same nonsense.");
AddReply(317061,"Steve (35, 36):  what is with you?","sk","USA","06/23/08","You have always struck me as a smart and sensible fellow (these are not the same thing).  But you\'ve just issued an unintelligible reproach to Rob, who was taking a friendly swipe at Tamar, certainly not you, and certainly not the US.  You\'ve also frothed at the mouth on Tamar\'s current blog regarding not talking to police.\n\nAs for your \"response\" to me, it doesn\'t begin to address my essay in a serious fashion.  Indeed, I dealt specifically with the point you bring up (because Tamar brought it up first) regarding \"No Homosexual pride marches in the Holy Land. No Homosexual marches in Jerusalem!\"\n\nYou ask what my problem is?  I suppose I\'d ask you the same question.  I am writing from a very consistent position that I have articulated over hundreds of TBs.  You are just acting weirdly.");
AddReply(317039,"Steve is right, there is no conspiracy.  Agenda is open agenda","Velvel","silver spring","06/22/08","Religious do not want sexual pride marches in Israel.  They are not attempting to make a secret of this. ");
AddReply(316981,"SK: I will reply","Steve","Fla.","06/22/08","You wrote: \"Now let\'s talk about Jerusalem vs. San Francisco and Israel vs. Sweden. I gather the latter contrast indicates your real agenda: you want to end gay rights marches throughout Israel, don\'t you?\"\n\nThat\'s right.  Keep your \"sexual preference\" marches out of the Holy Land.  No Heterosexual marches in the Holy Land.  No Homosexual pride marches in the Holy Land.  No Homosexual marches in Jerusalem!\n\nWhat is your problem SK?   ");
AddReply(316977,"Rob: I\'ve got a problem with you!","Steve","Fla.","06/22/08","You wrote: \"Don\'t antagonize Tamar. At least she hasn\'t bashed America for a few days ;-)\"\n\nI\'ve got a huge problem with this statement of yours Rob. Are you with me or are you with my enemies?  Are you with me or are you with Israel\'s enemies like Bush?\n\nYou don\'t like me bashing America?  You got a problem with me?  I\'ve got a problem with you Rob.  .");
AddReply(316503,"Well, Tamar, you invited a response, and I gave you one ...","sk","USA","06/20/08","care to reply yourself?");
AddReply(315701,"Follow-up to Tamar.","sk","USA","06/17/08","Tamar, I\'ll put this as gently as I can.  I find it just as offensive for you to wish me married to a \"female\" (what\'s with the scare quotes?) as you would find my wishing you to know Jesus.  Even in that throwaway line you show a lack of personal respect, and it does not matter to me that you justify this disrespect with religion.  Sometimes there is tremendous merit in not speaking.  What is significant, though, is that you trample without any awareness that you are doing so, just as many Christians do when they proselytize Jews.  And, of course, you insult your cousin, again unawares, with the whole \"choice\" thing. (When did you choose to be straight, Tamar?  How many people have to tell you that even the word \"choice\" is ridiculous before you get it?  How many times do I have to cover the basic science of this before the matter is resolved?  I know the \"choice\" thing is convenient as it allows you to avoid the so-called \"theodicy\" issue [the existence of evil in the world given God\'s goodness]).\n\nDo I really have to reiterate my view that those who insist on the right to petition government without being arrested for incitement (as occurred in the Disengagement) and to pray on the Temple Mount must accord the same rights to others?  How many times have I pointed out that so long as you live in Medinat Israel, insistence on American-style rights will only benefit you?\n\nDo I have to emphasize, once again, that I do not object to counter-demonstrations?  Of course I don\'t.  But you are not asserting the right to counter-demonstrate; you already have that right (so long as you don\'t riot and stab people).  No, you are seeking to shut down other people\'s rights, and this is counterproductive, as it creates and energizes enemies and thus plays into the hands of the Israeli elite Bolsheviks.  Nor does it matter if every resident of Jerusalem objects:  free speech and assembly rights are not contingent on other people approving of them.  What is it about this that eludes Israelis so consistently?  Maybe this will be helpful (repeat after me):  \"I do not care if Muslims are offended that I pray on the Temple Mount; this does not mean that I have no right to do so.\"  Say this 10 times after every meal.\n\nYou continue the insults with calling a pride march a sex parade.  Now, this is half true in San Francisco, and maybe one-eighth true in Tel Aviv.  But it is not at all true in Jerusalem, unless you know of some live sex acts that have escaped my attention.  At some level you realize this because in your radio show your favorite word was \"provocative.\"  Yes, that\'s what real POLITICAL marches are all about.  They are NOT about yakking with your friends.  The low attendance at Jerusalem marches derives from the lack of fun to be had there.  Politics, you see, is not fun; it\'s hard work.  Thus the irony that the most defensible march (from a rights perspective) is precisely where you least want it:  Jerusalem.\n\nNow let\'s consider the words \"provocation\" and \"provocative.\"  Do they sound familiar?  Yes, they are Bolshevik words, and they are mostly used to deny Jewish rights and pander to Muslims, many of whom are not even Israeli citizens.  Do you understand what happens when you validate language by using it?  If you do not, then consider the effect of using the word \"Palestinian.\"\n\nBack to marches.  Are they \"in your face\"?  Of course!  But how many times do I have to say that heteros do not keep their heterosexuality in the bedroom either?  You just don\'t notice it.  Do you think, for example, that a marriage at the Great Synagogue is not a public display of heterosexuality?  Every picture of one\'s family on one\'s desk is also such a display.  Every mixed-sex stroll arm-in-arm is one.\n\nYour real gripe is that you want to be the only one to participate in such displays.  Sorry, but that\'s not reasonable, and it\'s just too bad that your personal religion insists on such a lack of symmetry.  What a march does is make visible what is usually kept invisible-particularly in Jerusalem.  It is a concentration of what straight people enjoy routinely.  You do not need marches because you do not endure invisibility, let alone discrimination.  Thus when you say you do not support such marches hetero or homo, it is roughly equivalent to saying that you would not have supported black civil rights marches in the 60s any more than you would have supported white civil rights marches then.\n\nNow let\'s talk about Jerusalem vs. San Francisco and Israel vs. Sweden.  I gather the latter contrast indicates your real agenda:  you want to end gay rights marches throughout Israel, don\'t you?  Naturally you fail to see how this objective clashes with universal aliyah.  The Haredim don\'t much care about this, as they are not spending 24/7 encouraging aliyah.  But really, Jerusalem has much in common with SF.  Both cities are filled with people who hate their country, and both seat governments that are truly unholy.  Why is it that you can tolerate the Muslim hordes in Jerusalem?  Do they need to wear \"Amalek\" tee-shirts to get your attention?  They pray at monstrosities on the Temple Mount for godsake.  You have your anti-Jewish government residing in the city limits.  And after all this, you complain about an annual gay rights march?  Sorry, but I think you and your radio guests are picking a fight with a convenient target, not with a target that merits your attention.\n\nBy the way, I found Levin particularly horrendous.  He says that gays break up families.  Please, such families were fraudulent at their founding.  The answer is not to create such \"families\" in the first place.  He talks about AIDS, when its spread was largely the result of people (like Levin) who didn\'t care one bit when the disease spread in NYC and suppressed early responses.  He brings up suicide statistics for gay people, when by his own actions he strongly encourages such suicides.  (These tend to occur among teenagers who find themselves isolated.)  He asserts the old lie about gay people not being happy, when he does his best to make them miserable.  (But what he really does is kill off some teenagers.  The majority who survive turn out to be about as well adjusted as straights.)  He even has the audacity to suggest that the misery that he spreads is actually part of a plot by gay people to spread evil (Amalek) throughout society.  Talk about sinat chinam!  To make matters worse, he refers to the preferences of Muslims and Christians in Jerusalem, as if this made one bit of difference.  Yup, nothing better than validating the rights of the goyim to a piece of Jerusalem.  Evidently, for Levin, even a Muslim imam is more praiseworthy than a gay Jew.  And, if we are looking for Amalek, may I suggest that a more likely example carries out Friday anti-Semitic rallies ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT ITSELF?  Our rabbi lets out not a peep about this.  His conspiracy theories about the sources of money for gay marches are hilarious.  Jerusalem Open House is a shoestring operation.  Then, at the end of it all, he leaves Israel (talk about an averah!).\n\nI won\'t spend much time with that Jewish mother you had on, who seems to think that anyone should care about her \"mothering.\"  I will point out, though, that her reference to \"Baptized, sodomized\" etc. should be an outrage to any Jew, religious or not.  She thinks she\'s being droll, I am sure.  Also outrageous are her claims that gays \"hate civilization\" and \"hate themselves.\"  Maybe they just hate HER because she keeps gay bashing.  Does she expect to be loved for it?\n\nAnd you just nodded your head during this whole travesty, Tamar.  (Except for pooh-poohing the floods and other natural disasters that this rabbi tried to link to a march.  That was most unexpected.  I guess I\'ll call it progress.)\n");
AddReply(315387,"Tamar","sk","USA","06/16/08","Tamar, if you want a serious response, you\'ll need to get the INN censors to stop deleting my TBs. Yet another of mine was deleted, and that one was focused on your guest rabbi, who spewed a nearly uninterrupted (by you) stream of disinformation and flat out lies.\n\nSo, it\'s time you get your own INN house in order.  I did not expect INN to become a bastion of settlerfolk Bolshevism.");
AddReply(315357,"Changes in Weather","Larry","TA","06/16/08","Tamar, I find with changes in weather that the acuteness of arthritis (mine) increases. That, and very humid weather. But the first is interesting, because it seems like the change itself, from dry to humid or humid to dry doesn\'t matter. It\'s as if the body objects or at least registers the change, and adjusts to it with popping.\n\nAs far as the gay parade, I think you should fight it through the city if you are so strongly opposed. If they authorize it, then to me this is a function of democracy, although I believe SK\'s objections are more personal than that.\n\nI agree with Vienner Mike, though, about the black helicopters. I don\'t think the copters that fly over the sea where I run (on the edge of the sea) are part of a NWO conspiracy. And as tempting as it is to see 911 as a conspiracy, you have to face it - the CIA and FBI really are that incompetent.");
AddReply(315315,"Hey Sk....","Rob","usa","06/16/08","Don\'t antagonize Tamar. At least she hasn\'t bashed America for a few days ;-)");
AddReply(315238,"Now, see SK ...?","tamaryonah","","06/16/08","Now, see, SK, you automatically accuse me of bashing people who engage in homosexuality.\n\nWhat I am speaking about are PARADES.  What you do in your bedroom, is between you and G-d and your partner.... - Which I hope would be a \'female\' wife for you, as G-d has instructed men.  But I digress,,,  \n\'Sex\' parades are not appropriate, hetero or homo. The public in Jerusalem feel it is being forced upon them and have worked hard to keep this Holy City and Holy Land sanctified.  Jerusalem is not San Francisco.  Israel is not Sweeden.\n\nI have a cousin who chooses a lesbian life style and I love her very much.  Do I agree with her choices and outlook?  No.  Do I bash her?  Absolutely Not.  However, if she were to force a parade in public in front of my (and other\'s kids)  and adults, - the general public-, I would take a stand against this.  That is not \'gay-bashing\', it is actually the parade marchers who want to force their agenda which is \'promiscuity\' on public streets.  Perhaps I should blog on this topic?\n\nSK, I know you from before Freund, Fishman or I started blogging here.  I always appreciated you even though we don\'t agree on things.  It seems though that YOU are having a problem appreciating others who disagree with your life style and those who don\'t want sex, which belongs in the bedroom, flaunted in our faces.\n\nI invite your response.");
AddReply(315142,"Rabbi Broady is right on!","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs, ","06/16/08","More for the Tamary.");
AddReply(315096,"The irony is that Tamar, now largely recovered ...","sk","USA","06/16/08","... is leading off with the annual gay bashing around Jerusalem Pride on INR.\n\nIf I hadn\'t resolved not to visit Israel, I swear I\'d try to plan around going at Pride time.  I\'d probably skip Tel Aviv Pride, as I don\'t care about the party.  I\'d have to wear a shirt indicating that I\'m not a leftist though. Maybe \"They Must Go\" on the back.\n\nOf course, then both Tamar AND the other marchers could harass me.\n\nAnyway, it\'s irrelevant really.");
AddReply(315016,"Mazel tov, Tamar","Schvach","","06/15/08","Several years ago I had a similar event occur with my back; it was the most excruciating pain I have ever experienced, and like you, I didn\'t see a doctor (I couldn\'t move from my bed). The ordeal of back muscle spasms lasted 5 days. B\'H, I\'ve had no further problems with my back.");
AddReply(314797,"Thanks to everyone","tamaryonah","","06/15/08","I am learning so much from you all, and I want to thank you for sharing your stories and remedies with me.\nI am down to one pain killer a day now, and I am getting more functional.  it feels good to get back into service, albeit slowly.  Thanks everyone for posting to me here. :-)");
AddReply(314752,"Gel caps","Dave","Buena Vista","06/15/08","Don\'t gell caps have gelitan in them, which have \"unclean\" ingredients?");
AddReply(314746,"Glad you\'re getting Better","Carolyn","Florida","06/15/08","Hi Tamar- I am pretty new here, but have been hoping you\'d be back soon.  I was sorry to hear about your Mother in Law. She must have been a wonderful woman- I know what it\'s like to be Blessed by a great Mother in Law.  \nAs for your back pains, I can sympathize- I have had back problems for years, but thankfully, I don\'t suffer the sciatic nerve too much anymore.  If I feel one little twinge coming, I getout the ice pack and the heat- 20 minutes alternating for awhole night and I\'m good to go the next day.   Be well Tamar- thank you for letting me come and share your thoughts!  Carolyn");
AddReply(314604,"I\'m glad your back!","AL Collins","Lamesa, Tx","06/13/08","The video was interesting. Strange things to us may really work, who knows?\n 2 Advil, 1 X-strength Tylenol=prescription strength dosage. I don\'t think that is habit forming but you wouldn\'t want to take it all the time. \nI\'m sure with all thats going on in Israel you probably have a lot of stress that you\'re not even aware of. Always remember that laughter is a good medicine, hang out with people who make you laugh.\n All the posts were very good and lots of good suggestions too.\n I\'m praying daily for the Peace of Jerusalem. Thanks for letting me post.");
AddReply(314474,"back pain","Chana","Israel","06/13/08","I too have severe back pain and am against taking medication, but since nothing else has helped me, I sometimes take a pain killer. I am not at all addicted, but sometimes I just have no choice as the pain is unbearable.");
AddReply(314415,"Only if one has had any severe ","les","Ayr","06/13/08","back pan can it be described to another to be understood.  I walked off into an open manhole as a youngster as I was walking down a dark street and unmarked pit to be bricked up the next day was where I ended up.  I have had everything imagineable except acupuncture and hesitate at that!   I bought a reciprocating table that hangs you  by the ankles, I call the \'sky hook\' that helped me and many friends.  A good chiropractor that can feel the bad spots and tell you what hurts at the touch,, helped me often but they are scarce.  Never bend and twist at the same time is a thing to remember.  Hashem is the master healer and prayer changes things we are told.  Our prayers will continue to ask for your soon healing and thank G-d in everything!  Its hard to do in this case but there is reason for all that occurs in our lives.  We missed you\'   ask what the painful experience taught you, Shalom\n.  ");
AddReply(314369,"Feel Better SOON","malka","upstate NY","06/12/08","Hi Tamar. I\'m glad you\'re starting to feel better. But remember--there is NO shame in needing or taking pain killers.\n\nPain is whatever you say it is and as intense as you say it is. If you need more to relieve the pain, let your doctor know. \n\n");
AddReply(314321,"Back problems","Tamar fan","Israel","06/12/08","Believe me, back pain is not in your head. It can be caused by many, many things:infections, herniated disc,osteo-arthritis, lifting heavy things, \"bad\" movements, etc. etc. It is definitely not psychological. Feel better soon, Tamar.");
AddReply(314311,"I don\'t know about this","Steve","Fla.","06/12/08","I do know one thing; the pain is real for whatever reason.  \n\nQuite honestly, I don\'t see you angry at anything.  If you are angry, you sure do hide it well with a lot of humor.  I know I have anger issues and I need to work on my attitude.  We all do. \n\nI had a relative with chronic back pain.  She went to doctor after doctor.  Some told her the pain was in her head.  To me, this notion can be hurtful because it gives the impression that it is the patient\'s fault.  Then the patient begins blaming himself or herself for the pain.  I don\'t think this is right nor compassionate.  \n\nPain is pain and it is real.");
AddReply(314293,"May you Recovery Speedily","Joyce","Madison","06/12/08","Tamar, \nNo, I don\'t think it\'s in your head, but \nmy father\'s backache was worse with periods of tremendous stress.\n\nTake care and remember many of your listeners care and miss your shows.\nTake care, Joyce  \n");
AddReply(314225,"beterschap!","Harriet","Netherlands","06/12/08","Hi Tamar, I really wish you a speedy recovery. And I want to add that I really believe that the influence of our brain can be that painful. May you be blessed and get better soon.");
AddReply(314208,"back pain","TK","Florida","06/12/08","Not when your MRI shows a herniated disc. I have a few myself and I think the scans don\'t even show the whole picture. Mine show no nerve compression but I have neurological symptoms that cannot be explained by anything. they\'ve decided I do NOT have MS, Yay! but I have some of the symptoms. These get better if I have an adjustment. I\'ve even know alternative practitioners. some MD\'s who believe that many people have what is called MS or other things but can be alleviated with alternative therapies. Since you are tough, I\'d suggest acupuncture before you hit the pills. they ALL have side effects. \nI also have to say that if you could lose some weight it will help. I have a few pounds to get rid of myself. Make sure you wear a bra that fits perfectly.  \nThis is not in your head. That\'s the favorite excuse when doctors, especially male doctors, can\'t find out why a woman hurts. If you have 5 with no \"help\" you aren\'t \"Internalizing\" emotions. I only had 1 but did it naturally. She in turn has had 5 at home and all naturally and we are too tough to let emotions stop our lives.  Please do not let \"them\" dehumanize and diminish you that way. But prove them wrong by taking charge of your life and changing the physical things that are not healthy in your life. Have your friend get you \"Aleph bet Yoga\" by Steve A. Rapp. You\'ll huff and puff at first but you won\'t ache the next day. \nTK");
AddReply(314203,"Pain/ and how to deal with it.","Joseph A. Cleary","Sand Springs,","06/12/08","This course can help you, if you let it.\nI\'ll explain more with Tamary.");
AddReply(314184,"Hashem our Healer","Chris","Salt Lake City","06/12/08","Tamar, \n\nFirst I want to say May Hashem the Holy One of Israel be praised, who alone works wonders.\n\nTamar I am a Christian and I pray for that the Holy One of Israel the One and Only True and Living G-d bless you with complete healing to your body according to His Holy Word in Psalm 30.  I also pray that Most High the Holy One of Israel bless and protect the Jewish people Hashem chosen people with His Mighty Shalom from Heaven above\n\nMay the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the Holy One of Israel bless you and all your family and loved ones with a blessed joyful wonderful day. For Tamar you do deserve nothing but the best in life. I truly believe Tamar and I tell this to everyone the Greatest and the Only Healer is the Holy One of Israel blessed be His Holy Name whose glorious Kingdom is forever and ever. ");
AddReply(314161,"Refuah sShelaimah","Bernard Antin","Southfield MI","06/12/08","Dear Tamar,\nHoping and davening that you have a complete recovery.\nIn the meantime thinkabout those things in your life that amazing like your family, living in the holiest land on Earth and of course your legions of fans ");
AddReply(314129,"Nope, I don\'t believe it.","sk","USA","06/12/08","There is a simple way to assess this claimed therapy:  a double-blinded, randomized clinical trial.  That the claimed therapy is psychological makes no difference whatsoever.  Indeed, there is a whole branch of experimental psychology.\n\nIf this doctor believes he has a useful therapy, it is financially foolish and medically disreputable not to assess the therapy in a scientifically valid fashion.\n\nI have yet to see a doctor who wouldn\'t like to be at least on a short list for a Nobel Prize.\n\nCarry on, Tamar.  The medical profession is NOT up to speed on pain, but it is getting better.  This particular doctor deserves a kick in the pants.");
AddReply(314120,"Glad you\'re on the mend","ROGER","MINNEAPOLIS, MN","06/12/08","Continued prayers for your complete recovery.  You and your T&T companion make a good team - I usually feel a welcomed guest in the VS......  I generally resist the \"good stuff\" myself, but I\'ve also WELCOMED it during a couple of my medical encounters.  Thank G-D the substances exist for us.");
AddReply(314116,"#4, Michael, she works with Tovia","ROGER","MINNEAPOLIS, MN","06/12/08","...I\'ll let THEM battle on who should have the back pain.  :-)");
AddReply(314115,"My good friend is a back cracker, MD","Rob","usa","06/12/08","He says its important to have proper shoes if you are on your feet a lot, also posture is  very important as is proper lifting tecniques. He is currently involved in research that he has named Spinal decompression therapy. the only reason I know about this is I am reluctantly involved, and have blueprints to build a proto type apperatus where the pateint is suspended/supported by the feet and  ankles, and hangs upside down for a prescribed period of time, thus decompressing the spine. I hear it works. I nic named it the dracula contraption, hehe :-)\n\nSo there you go Tamar, hang by your feet for awhile !");
AddReply(314114,"To Tamar","Your fan","Israel","06/12/08","Welcome back, we really missed you. Refuah shelema!!");
AddReply(314090,"Tamar, I blame the Israeli government","Leah","UK","06/11/08","for making you mad!  Seriously, anything\'s worth a try in these circumstances and i wish you a refuah schleima.");
AddReply(314075,"Not all of them are in the mind.","Michael Berg","Petach Tikva","06/11/08","He stated that virtually all of his patients are cured or significantly helped, but this is because he is where the people who have already tried numerous aproaches go. With these people it is most likely in the brain. With you, it might or might not be. Do you have any significant stress or problems that could be causing you subconsciousness to be doing this in order to take your mind away from dealing with other things? This is the question you should ask yourself.");
AddReply(314069,"refuah shleimah","Batya","eye of storm","06/11/08","Try water therapy.  Pools are opening!  And maybe you\'ll join us some time at Tel Shiloh!");
AddReply(314068,"TV Back Aid","mosesmalon1","","06/11/08","I was out of town and on TV was a plastic machine that eased the compacted discs and provided relief.  You lay down and prop your knees under it and it gently manipulates your legs and back to relax the muscles and back to release the compression, i wish i wrote down the name but try checking the web, we pray for your healing....");
AddReply(314063,"The psychological aspect makes sense...","CDG","Y-laim","06/11/08","and it seems worth a try. The stress has to go somewhere. For some people it\'s ulcers; for others, it\'s asthma, and so on. How long has it been since you went on a long vacation?\n\nHave you tried ice on your back? Sometimes that helps too.\n\nKol tov v\'t\'hiyi briyah!");

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