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AddReply(302939,"Velvel","Daniel","Kyoto","04/30/08","I agree. People who make personal attacks in talkbacks as if they know the people are disgusting in my opinion. And they don\'t bother to read.\nI blame Fishman. Not all forums are like this. There\'s real poison here- this lynch-mob \"let\'s get Mike\" attitude which spills over- and it disgusts me. And why do they want to \"get Mike\"? Because he makes rational and convincing arguments which completely refute everything Fishman says and stands for. One may not agree with his solutions, but I certainly agree with his statement of the problem. To some extent, I think you do too.");
AddReply(302921,"Now let us understand how wrong Larry is and inspect this pathology","Velvel","silver spring","04/30/08","Let\'s examine this paragraph one by one.\n\"It seems to me that you misunderstand the purpose of Zionism, and the attitude of many Israelis to Jewishness. I think you insult Israelis when you state baldly that \'Israeli\' is a made-up identity. As for American Jewish identity, it does exist, but it seems that Jews in America are missing an important aspect of Jewish life, which is - or can be - found here.\"\n\n\"It seems to me that you misunderstand the purpose of Zionism,\"\n\nI understand what the founders intended and why it\'s misguided.  We are not talking about \'my zionism\' and \'your zionism\' and what this story \"means to me\" like 3rd grade show and tell.  I\'m talking about the founders and their philosophy and its current bankrupt extension into the realm of \'postzionism.\'\n\n\"and the attitude of many Israelis to Jewishness\"\n\nThere is a difference between \"Jewishness\" and the invented \"israeliness.\"  I have no problem with the Jews of the state of Israel identifying with Jewishness (and in varying ways), and the vast majority of them DO!  The far leftist Israeli anti-Jews want to usurp the identity of the populace and morph it into staunch Israeliness.  This I take issue with and so should you and any sane Jew.  Their confusing you into thinking each is one and the same or one a part of the other, is one of their most potent weapons.  Don\'t fall for it.\n\n\"I think you insult Israelis when you state baldly that \'Israeli\' is a made-up identity.\"\n\nBut it is a made up identity.  It never existed prior to the late 1800\'s and the founding of Israel in 1948 when it crystallized.  It beat the competing made-up \"Fakestinian\" identity by only a few decades.  JEWISH identity goes back thousands of years and is real, not an invention.  One should not be insulted by the truth.\n\n\"As for American Jewish identity\"\n\nThere is no such thing as \"american Jewish identity.\"  There is only Jewish identity (or anything else). You either have it or you don\'t, regardless of what land you reside in.  I\'m not an \"american jew\" or \"american of the mosaic persuasion,\" I\'m a Jew, larry.  And I happen to have American citizenship.\n\nThat is all.");
AddReply(302917,"Larry you invented my personality ... ","Velvel","silver spring","04/30/08","\" I am continually amazing by how attached religious and Zionist Jews such as you are to the US.\"\n\nExplain how I\'m \"attached\" to the US.  Do you know me Larry?  Just who is \"velvel silver spring\" that you can know so well as to make these kind of judgements.  I have zero \'attachment\' to any country or any state outside the Land of Israel.  Don\'t ascribe your straw men to my velvel, Larry.\n\nAs if I\'m not bothered by antisemitism.  As if I \"diss\" Israel.  Come on, get real, Larry.");
AddReply(302915,"Larry, enough with these straw men arguments.","Velvel","silver spring","04/30/08","You ruthlessly beat this straw man into pulp, as if it was my argument.  I will repeat, Larry:\n\n\'When did I ever claim zionists were inherently evil or that all of them were the same? This couldn\'t be further from the truth and is ridiculous - a ridiculous straw man.\'\n\nLarry I made the distinction clear as can be.  I did not say the zionists did the shoah or desired to murder Jews.  (aside from \"little\" rampages like BG\'s attack on the altalena, the labor zionists informing on fellow Jews by reporting the Irgun and Lehi to the British who would hang them, etc)  Like I said before:\n\n\'But when the Jewish Agency/zionist leaders SABOTAGED Hungarian Jewry, although the zionists did not carry out the holocaust (like the ridiculous arab claim), from the Jewish point of view, they certainly did something just as evil, or one could argue even worse. They were incredibly callous and went out of their way to make sure the Hungarian Jews died when they could have been saved. \'\n\nIf you insist upon making excuses for this because they happened to also found a state, that\'s your prerogative. I don\'t excuse evil.  And only by understanding the past and its connections with the suicidal ideology of the present, can we truly defeat those who wish for us to be destroyed.  (that would be olmert, barak, livni, bibi, peres, etc)\n\n\"I think that most of your posts are likely rationalizations for your decision to be where you are.\"\n\nYou couldn\'t be more wrong Larry.  I desire to one day make aliya.  I haven\'t \'decided\' to be anywhere, I\'m simply where I am.  I don\'t need to rationalize it because I am not rejecting Eretz Yisrael.\nNot only that, but nothing I ever say suggests what you think.  Perhaps you should reread some of what I write and not just classify me as \'anti tzvi\' or some such \"party line.\"  \nI don\'t have self-esteem issues Larry.  I don\'t need to post here to feel good about myself or my decisions.  Drop the personal attacks.\n\nWhat I say in my comments has nothing to do with what sk says, or mike says, or rachel says, or any other heckler says.  Why do you put me in some group of other people to deride and generalize as if we are all one?  I should be accountable for what others write?  I don\'t know any of these people but they all do their fair share of bashing one another.  Guess you have to toughen up for this crowd.\n");
AddReply(302740,"Velvel","Larry","TA","04/29/08","Probably my reaction was to months of reading Mike and SK, mostly. It was not fair to you.\n\nBut an addition to the content part of things - I am continually amazing by how attached religious and Zionist Jews such as you are to the US. I missed Israel for years living there. More, I found out just how much anti-Semitism exists in places. Perhaps this was because I lived in a \'liberal\' environment in California, I don\'t know. But I just don\'t understand why proud Jews are not more bothered by this. And I really think that dissing Israel partly serves the purpose, for some, of ignoring what is going on around them. ");
AddReply(302732,"Velvel, That Was Quite a Speech","Larry","TA","04/29/08","Thanks for the long and thoughtful analysis of my reaction. I should have been less defensive. My reaction to reading your post - which I reacted to as part of the draining Mike-SK series, as you agree with Mike\'s claims - was to get angry at your ignorance. What I should have said is that you need to learn about the whole history of Zionism and Israel. That the purpose and reality of the Zionist movement was not to, primarily, find some way to help the anti-Semites rid the world of Jewish Jews. This is the Mike Line, and it is mostly untrue. The Zionists sought to reform Judaism or to transform it, largely for the purpose of saving Jews. The Zionists, esp. in E Europe, understood that Jew-hatred could explode into genocide or close to it at any time. The Zionists believed that the Jew\'s true home was in Israel. Many Diaspora Jews have \'proved them wrong\', but Israel has proved them right. The fantasy that the major driving force of Labor Zionism was to commit massive crimes against Jews, which you clearly imply, is a fantasy. At worst the Labor Zionists wanted to escape the Jewish ghetto.\n\nI am glad you think my ideas are strange. I think that most of your posts are likely rationalizations for your decision to be where you are. I read your comments, and those of SK, Mike and Comma, and I see people who are having fun taunting folks. Now, there are some on \'Tsvi\'s side\' who happily engage in counter-attacks, but I\'m not endorsing that as a policy. \n\nIt seems to me that you misunderstand the purpose of Zionism, and the attitude of many Israelis to Jewishness. I think you insult Israelis when you state baldly that \'Israeli\' is a made-up identity. As for American Jewish identity, it does exist, but it seems that Jews in America are missing an important aspect of Jewish life, which is - or can be - found here.\n\nI get frustrated at the ignorance and the sweeping generalizations, and should have used a different tone. But I think you need to get educated about Israel and its history.");
AddReply(302721,"Daniel Japan","Larry","TA","04/29/08","Seems like there\'s no agreeing with you, even when agreeing with you. It\'s clear that Jews don\'t have great numbers. It\'s also obvious that if more Jews had settled in Yesha, the political outcome would be different. I didn\'t say that therefore millions of Jews should make Aliyah to save Yesha, Just pointed out the obvious.");
AddReply(302632,"To Daniel Pinner","JJ","Israel","04/29/08","I agree with Daniel Pinner. The chances of a secular family in the Galut of having Jewish descendants in a couple of generations is very low. This goes for secular Israelis that leave Israel, too. Several children of friends here in Israel left the country and are living abroad. Almost all of them have married non-Jews there. Since they are all young men, their children are not Jewish. In Israel, at least, most of the secular will have Jewish descendants.");
AddReply(302626,"Larry 55  And?","Velvel","silver spring","04/29/08","Was that an attempt to point out to me that some zionists were good people?  When did I ever claim zionists were inherently evil or that all of them were the same?  This couldn\'t be further from the truth and is ridiculous - a ridiculous straw man.\n\nLet\'s judge their actions.  The leaders\' actions speak loudly, especially those on the leftist (socialist) side of the spectrum.\n\nNothing you said about these particular righteous underground haganah activities or this righteous captain changes what others did to purposely sabotage the rescue of hungarian Jews.\n\nThe Israeli govt defended kastner because they were guilty along with him.  And now the leftist \"israeli shrine\" yad vashem has put out propaganda to vindicate him.  This is what I\'m referring to when I say brushing under the rug.  The Jewish masses are being deceived.");
AddReply(302622,"reply to larry ta","Velvel","silver spring","04/29/08","\" You imagine \'world Jewry\' as some sort of proud, united and \'Jewish\' entity that will kick into gear once Israeli shame and self-abuse ends. This is a fantasy. American Jews generally bow to anti-Semites, assimilate readily, intermarry heavily, and more. \"\n\nIt\'s not a fantasy that Jews would rally behind a Jewish cause.  Israel the state fails to construct a meaningful identity, and therefore Jews outside Israel of course cannot identify with it, and it is difficult for them to connect (religious Orthodox have it easier due to Torah).  If I am a Jew living in Los Angeles, what do I have to do with being \"Israeli\" unless I move there, any more than I have to do with being Portuguese?  What does an Israeli sabra have anything to do with me?  Why should an Israeli remain in Israel if he can go and find good opportunities in America.  And so on.  The \'leaders\' have not established a real Jewish identity to the state, in fact they\'ve gone out of their way to counteract it, and the identity crisis of the state of Israel also extends to the Jews worldwide. \n\n Ask yourself why all those reform Jews assimilate, decrease what little \'observance\' they have and intermarry.  Because a watered down, distorted fabricated \"Judaism\" is not appealing, it\'s an abomination which drives people away from it.  The same is true of the fabricated Israeli \"identity.\"\n\nYou sure got awfully defensive there Larry, but I wasn\'t talking about you, just Jews in general, whether they are in Israel or outside Israel.  Certain topics are swept under the rug.  You deny this?\n\nI don\'t know where American Jews \"bow to antisemites.\"  America was where the JDL started.  And I don\'t see too many pogroms around here unlike the daily arab lynch mobs in Israel.  As far as intermarriage and assimilation, this is true for the \'streams\' of Judaism, but not at all true for the Torah observant Jews.  \n\nMany American Jews Larry became involved in aiding the defense (often through illegal means) of the yishuv leading up to the war for independence.  Who knows, with a real movement of Jewish pride rather than Jewish self-flagelation like all these professed \'leaders\' of galut Jewry currently promote, you might see a lot less assimilation and more connection with israel and Judaism than before. \n\nI\'m not sure why you were so defensive.  I was speaking in general terms that THERE IS A NEED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE.  I\'m not patronizing Jews in any location by pointing out the obvious.  But if you can\'t see that the current leadership and direction you are being led in is the path of surrender and self-destruction then I don\'t know what to tell you larry, you would deserve a good wake up call. \n\nIn response to \"Sorry, that\'s over the top. This reveals your Golah orientation and preference. \"\nUm, no, it doesn\'t.  You have strange ideas.  I think you were going out of your way to attack me at perceived insult, but I was not insulting you Larry at all.");
AddReply(302609,"Larry 52:  I didn\'t mean you.  That\'s why I said Jews in general.","Velvel","silver spring","04/29/08","");
AddReply(302598,"To: #55 Larry,TA ","Comma","","04/29/08","They brought in (NOT saved) too few and too late, and even then they selected the young and the fit among the survivors, while they stood by (and I am being charitable) while MILLIONS died.\n\nThe whole Youth Aliyah brought 5,000 – 6,000  (5 – 6 thousand) children before the war (a MILLION AND A HALF DIED IN THE WAR) and even then only after a strong grass-roots push.\n \nWhy don\'t you \"google\" \"Zionists in World War II\", “Youth Aliyah”, “British White Paper”, “aliyah certificates”, etc. and read a few things instead of arguing.\n\nThere are a few legitimate sites on the topic.\n");
AddReply(302595,"Larry #46","Daniel","Kyoto","04/29/08","I disagree. Demographics is nonsense. Jews have never won and will never win because there are more of us. We can compete on quality, but never on quantity. Surely you won\'t sacrifice Jews to boost nonsensical statistics?!\nThen again, maybe I\'m wrong. Who knows. Maybe nonsensical meaningless statistics do matter to you more than people.");
AddReply(302594,"Addition- Pinner #42","Daniel","Kyoto","04/29/08","In addition, it may be true that a higher percentage of Jewish children in Israel don\'t assimilate, but the claim you are representing is a misuse of statistics, because the groups you are comparing are different. Compare frum Jews in Israel and in the gallus and it\'s not so clear.\nAnd if our statistics are bad- and in Japan they\'re about as bad as they can get, good! It means there\'s work to be done here. It means there are Jews here to help bring back to Torah. It means you can make yourself useful here. Adraba, it\'s an opportunity. It\'s a reason NOT to make Aliyah.\nMe, I prefer the mitzvah of saving a Jewish life to the mitzvah of living in Israel. Or of bringing a Jew closer to Torah. What about you?");
AddReply(302593,"To Daniel Pinner #42","Daniel","Kyoto","04/29/08","But making Aliyah is not a hallachic imperative. It\'s a positive mitzvah, but there\'s no chiyuv... you\'ll at least admit, I assume, that there exists the opinion that there is no chiyuv. In that case, it\'s not on the same level as a Jew who eats chametz on Pessach rch\"l. Rather, according to your shita, it is on the same level as a Jew who eats gebrochts on Pessach. Your rav says differently maybe, but to call that person a sinner?\nI agree- if a Jew makes aliyah for the proper reasons, he is doing a positive mitzvah. But if a Jew stays in exile for the right reasons, is that not also praiseworthy, at the very least because \"gdola avera lishma memitzvah shelo lishma\"? And it is not an avera to live in chutz laaretz, even according to your position, so kal vachomer.\nI would add that going to Israel for the right reasons might also also entail transgression. Shlom bayis issues, issues of parnassah, and the basic idea that a Jew has the duty to do all they can do, and not just be a potato in the land of Israel.\n");
AddReply(302580,"Finally, Velvel Wolf","Larry","TA","04/29/08","They buried a 90 year old former Hagana commander called Yisrael Harel the other day. He organized the \'illegal\' immigration to Israel after WWII, and captained the Exodus. Under his leadership 24K Jews were saved from displaced persons\' camps, etc. Not to mention all the young Palestinian Jews who volunteered for the Jewish Brigade, and otherwise worried about and tried to save European Jews. Some were leftists, some were rightists, some were apolitical, etc. They were all Zionists, at the most practical of levels. The concept that you and Mike advance, of a systematic Labor Zionist effort to get as many European Jews as possible killed, is wrong and may be obscene.");
AddReply(302570,"mike vienna, true.","Velvel","silver spring","04/29/08","True, most are not taught about this and many don\'t know.  But those who are in a position to teach or to brush under the rug or not teach or say anything about it... it is they who face the dilemma.  For instance establishment Jewish organizations.  And with all they stand to gain by being allies of the current state govt, this has essentially made their decision for them.  Same is true of establishment \'parties\' and sects/followings in Israel.");
AddReply(302554,"This Quote, Velvel","Larry","TA","04/29/08","A Jewish cause that world Jewry can get behind, divorced from the crimes and apologetics of the zionist/postzionist antiJewish butchers, and presenting Jewish pride, self-respect and Jewish justice in the face of Arab terrorism, rather than pacifism, passivity, and begging world christianity for sympathy as the current Israeli state does today.///\n\nSorry, that\'s over the top. This reveals your Golah orientation and preference. This is what SK and Mike display constantly. You imagine \'world Jewry\' as some sort of proud, united and \'Jewish\' entity that will kick into gear once Israeli shame and self-abuse ends. This is a fantasy. American Jews generally bow to anti-Semites, assimilate readily, intermarry heavily, and more. They may speak boldly about anti-Semitism and defending Israel in their living rooms, but for the majority it ends there. Your view of Israel and Israelis is offensive and ignores the many good, strong people that are aware and live here. You need to dismount from the horse whose name is roughly:\n\nThe Best Jews Are Proudly Defending the Nation in Golah While the Self-Hating, Defeatist Israelis P*ss Everything Away.\n\nOr, if only the proud, nationalist and religious Golah can save Israel, then better do it...now.");
AddReply(302552,"Velvel","Larry","TA","04/29/08","I read your first two posts. The first was interesting. I did not appreciate the part where I am giving a pass to them. I described the Kastner episode in extremely critical terms. But I agreed with the gist of your post. \n\nYou lost me on the second post. Now I am a \'well-meaning\' (and maybe \'naive\') Jew sweeping the Zionist crimes under the rug, because I am defensive and gathering the wagons around, terrified that I am that the Arab propaganda will win.\n\nSorry, guy. You are sitting in Galut. I am sitting here. I am not afraid of the Arab propaganda, and agree with Feiglin, Batya, Ellen H and many others that it\'s up to us to build a state and present an image that is one of righteousness and pride. I am not terrified of the US pulling the plug on Israel because Arab propaganda convinced the American public that Israel is disposable.\n\nIf I am to be condescended to, I\'d much rather have it be someone who has been sitting in Yesha for twenty years and not in Silver Spring. Moreover, I have personally been kicked in the teeth, here, in the past, by \'Orthodox\' Labor Zionists because I woke up to reality. So calm down, and when you make the decision to come here, you can patronize me again.");
AddReply(302483,"You are wrong, Velvel","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/29/08","The reason the average Jew ignores the reality of the Zionist crimes is because he was never taught about them.  He was never taught about them because if he knew, he could not call them \"holy\", nor could he call the State they created \"holy\".  And if Medinat Israel is not holy, well...  The entire idolatrous edifice of \"religious Zionism\" crumbles instantly into dust.  Once that happens, one is left merely with the choice between the Satmarers and Medinat Yehudah.  The dati leumi are terrified of this choice.");
AddReply(302468,"And for this reason Larry, alternative is needed","Velvel","silver spring","04/28/08","There needs to be an alternative Jewish cause for righteous Jews to support.\n\nPrecisely because the current postzionist leadership is a continuation of the past traitor zionists, with the same philosophy, the same callous disregard for fellow Jews and the same complicity in  murder of Jewish life, precisely for this reason we must condemn the zionists\' crimes loudly.  \n\nAn alternative cause must form.  A REAL right wing.  Whether it is forming medinat yehudah as mike argues (that idea would have to catch on to become a legit movement), or Moshe feiglin\'s jewish leadership camp (all the nationalists and religious zionists getting behind him and putting their petty political power desires and differences on the shelf), or the hayamin haamiti becoming a mass movement.  Any of these things are positive because they all present an alternative. \n\n A Jewish cause that world Jewry can get behind, divorced from the crimes and apologetics of the zionist/postzionist antiJewish butchers, and presenting Jewish pride, self-respect and Jewish justice in the face of Arab terrorism, rather than pacifism, passivity, and begging world christianity for sympathy as the current Israeli state does today.\n\nBankrupt postzionism \"Israeli-ness\" must be shunned and kicked to the dustbins.  Jewish identity must emerge.  ");
AddReply(302461,"Larry TA 45:  Why there is a tendency for well-meaning Jews","Velvel","silver spring","04/28/08","Why is there a tendency for well-meaning Jews to sometimes ignore the crimes of early Zionist leaders against fellow Jews and to close our eyes or close our mouths about certain uncomfortable holocaust era events (out of so many uncomfortable events)?  I think I know the answer to this question.\n\nThe Arab straw-man arguments (combination of: minimalizing holocaust, denying it, accusing Zionists of having done it as a secret plot for world sympathy, saying zionists worked with nazis) all obfuscate the issue and in our defensive, reactionary mode responding to these idiotic arab myths, we are prevented from seeing the true crimes that were committed by our supposed \"jewish\" \'leaders.\' \n\nThe arabs also use their faulty interpretation of past events as a pretext for why arabs should be allowed to kill present-day zionist Jews or why they are justified to do so indiscriminately, so that of course complicates matters even worse and makes us even more myopic in examining our own past.  Anything that fuels the arab propaganda machine will lead to further shedding of innocent Jewish blood.  This also prevents us from looking at our past in totality and honestly.\n\nThus, the arabs use their straw-man ideas to spread hatred of modern day Jews.  Furthermore, all Jews inherently feel in some way that the future of the Jewish nation is tied to Israel.  Not only that we care about the Jews there, but we feel a degree of safety net, that Israel exists, a shoah like last time couldn\'t happen to that degree again.  or that we are in early stages of redemption, and so on and so on.  In some ways, those early zionist leaders and their modern day continuation in the current govt, represent the state of Israel, and there is a line one wishes not to cross in attacking those leaders. \n\n The typical Jew wishes to assert Jewish rights, but he does not want to cross that line and give strength or help to the Arab propaganda machine, which seeks to destroy us.  So he closes his eyes and defends \"Israel\" and is a \"zionist.\"  I think this is what generally happens.  But I think we can be honest about the past and still support the Jewish cause over the Arabs, over their propaganda machine, and over their postzionist allies.\n");
AddReply(302457,"Larry TA #45   - zionists and shoah","Velvel","silver spring","04/28/08","Hello Larry.  I understand your point about all that Sutton stuff, alfred pike, and all the rest, and Steve makes compelling arguments, yes.  The gemara tells us that ultimately it is world leaders who are tools of the Almighty.  I think this basic worldview fits in well with steve\'s point that we get the govt we deserve (merit?).\n\nBut I want to correct something.  You say that \'mike would have us believe ben gurion encouraged churchill to send Jews to death camps\' etc.  You say that: Kastner affair was horrible, but that one can\'t say bg and the zionists were co-conspirators in the shoah.  Well, Larry, define co-conspirator.  \n\nNo, the labor zionists did not design or carry out the holocaust.  The guilt of that evil lies with our worst enemies and all their agents.  But when the Jewish Agency/zionist leaders SABOTAGED Hungarian Jewry, although the zionists did not carry out the holocaust (like the ridiculous arab claim), from the Jewish point of view, they certainly did something just as evil, or one could argue even worse.  They were incredibly callous and went out of their way to make sure the Hungarian Jews died when they could have been saved.  \n\nA Jew does not stand idly by on his brother\'s blood.  When you sabotage rescue efforts, given the known fate (gas chambers), known at that time, of those who would not be saved, it is tantamount to actual murder.  And I\'m sure they had all kinds of selfish reasons for doing what they did that I\'m not interested in.  You may not want to call them \'co-conspirators\' in the Shoah, but there is no sugar-coating what they did, and it\'s hard to think of a \'better\' way to describe such evil that isn\'t much lower than those who actually did design and carry out the shoah.\n\nThere really is no defending that.");
AddReply(302404,"To the conspiracy theorists","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/28/08","Never posit treason and conspiracy where incompetence and stupidity will do.  There is no globalist conspiracy.  There are only a whole lot of stupid government bureaucrats acting stupidly.\n\nVery similarly, there is no conspiracy among the Israelis to exterminate the Jews of Yesha.  There are only a whole lot of Israelis individually acting out their hate and fear of Jews, Judaism and everything Jewish.  This is why partition will work so well.  Partition will replace hate and fear of Jews with hate and fear of the Arabs as the preeminent fixation of the reprobate Israeli \"mind\".");
AddReply(302396,"Daniel","Larry","Beachcomber Paradise","04/28/08","Okay, I hear that. I agree to a significant extent, or maybe the better way to say it is that my own views are closer to Daniel Pinner\'s than to Tsvi\'s. I think that Daniel, Steve and I are all believers in personal responsibility, and less expansive about the rhapsodic effects of mass Aliyah and spirituality as a simultaneous package salvation. I don\'t agree with you, however, that large-scale Aliyah is without value. It could have plenty of value vis-a-vis demographics and the fate of Yesh(a). ");
AddReply(302394,"Hi, Dan","Larry","TA","04/28/08","I am not sure that you read my post that well, but what I wrote was:\n\n\"We have Dan Jerusalem and Tamar giving us something like the Barry Chamish theory of the universe. This is tempting but flawed.\"\n\nI did not judge or condemn Barry. I did not call him a nut. Nor did I call you a nut. I said it was flawed. I believe that some of these leaders do evil things. But I don\'t believe that they are little puppets whose Freemason \'tutors\' tell them what to do every day. I have read, believe me. I have read a lot of Chamish\'s stuff. I have read about 911. I know who Sutton is, and I know about Skull\'n\'Bones, Crowley, mind control, Union Bank, the Harriman-Bush connection, etc. But it\'s not all cut and dried. Today there was an article in J Post about Wallenberg. Roosevelt apparently used him, and let/encouraged him to save Jews. So while John Loftus and Lucy Davidowitz etc., are mostly right, it\'s never completely on the dark side. Mike would have us believe that Ben Gurion encouraged Churchill and the US to send Jews to the death camps. It\'s one thing to say that the Kastner stuff stinks, and it does, and it\'s quite another to make the Jewish Agency a co-conspirator in the Shoah, which is bunk. \n\nI think my basic point remains the same. It\'s the people\'s responsibility. I include myself, you and all of us. If William Russell hijacked American democracy by founding his secret society in the 1830s, and if Alfred Pike really dictates the fate of the US and the world from the grave, then where are the American people. Florida Steve makes very powerful arguments, in my view. I think you are stretching things. I don\'t believe that Mao and those ruthless murderers needed the State Dept to do what they did, though perhaps State messed over the Nationalists. It\'s never that simple.\n\nThanks for the @@@@, btw. :)");
AddReply(302389,"To Yitzhak:  I was unduly harsh on the sages...","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/28/08","The reality is that R. Yossi and the Sages refer to two different situations.  When the Jew is a free man able to raise arms in self-defense, arms are an adornment.  When the Jew is a contemptible slave unable to raise the arms he bears for fear of the oppressors all around him, arms are a disgrace.\n\nToday and for over 20 years, the arms of the IDF have been a DISGRACE. ");
AddReply(302387,"Vienna Mike does not attack Daniel Pinner...","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/28/08","...Because Daniel Pinner belongs to that rare category of people whose eyes are open but who refuse to acknowledge what they see.  Many \"old communists\" in the GULAG were like that.  \"This\", they said, \"is the only Communist State we have.\"  \n\nDaniel Pinner does not deserve to be tarred with the same brush as Fishy and the Fishlovers.  Of all the readers of this blog, he might be the one best prepared to take advantage of the glorious opportunity presented by Israel\'s withdrawal from 40 cities and towns in Yesha.\n\nUltimately, nothing prevents the Jews of Yesha from building 40 REAL settlements.  Except, of course, for lack of will.\n\nMedinat Israel is BEGGING you to take charge of your own fate.  Huge sections of the establishment would be extatic at a declaration of intent to build a Medinat Yehudah and would trip all over themselves to help you in every possible way, if only you play your cards correctly.  Alas, like the Pseudostinians, the Jews of Yesha never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.\n\nP.S. Despite what certain ignorant talkbackers may think, Vienna Mike DOES NOT want purges, blood in the streets and lots of pathos.  In fact, Vienna Mike wants such things kept to the absolute minimum.  Every Jewish life is precious, even the life of the likes of Yitzhak Rabin (y\"sh).  Partition is the solution that costs the MINIMUM of Jewish lives.");
AddReply(302355,"From one Daniel to another...","Daniel Pinner","Kfar Tapuach","04/28/08","A few people have stated what my \"real\" position is. Let me clarify: the State of Israel, for all its faults, is the only Jewish state we have. That is why I fought in its army, and would be willing to do so again. (For the record, I am aware that this is hollow bravery, because the State of Israel, in its current incarnation, would never allow me near a firearm, let alone allow me into its military ranks.)\n\nMore practically, then, this is the reason that I say Hallel, with a brachah, both on Yom Ha-Atzma\'ut and on Yom Herut Yerushalayim.\n\nAs for Aliyah as a solution to the State\'s problems: I think that if a Jew makes Aliyah in order to solve Israel\'s problems, he is likely to give up in despair within the year and return to exile. The correct reason to make Aliyah is that a Jew\'s place is in Israel. And if enough Jews make Aliyah with that attitude, then Israel will inevitably become a more Jewish country, one in which Jews will feel more comfortable, and in which Torah will be more of a force.\n\nContinuing this idea, I do not discard any Jew for living in exile, just as I do not discard any Jew for not keeping Shabbat or Kashrut. Both are Jews who are not obeying the Halachic imperative.\n\nBut having said that, any Jew who does not keep the Halacha - whether Shabbat or Kashrut or Aliyah - is unlikely to remain Jewish two generations from now. I admit the possibility - after all, there are reform/secular Jews in exile who have maintained their Jewish identity over several generations; but they are in an extreme minority.\n\nThis, then, is an additional reason for Aliyah: if you care about your grand-children being Jewish, then Israel is the only place in the world where the odds are in your favour.");
AddReply(302336,"caterpiller thinking","hanina","","04/28/08"," I have 100 legs, I live near all these trees,\nI have enough food to feed me, survive and transporational power to reach my destination.\nbut the lifecycle is short\nand even though the goal is to turn into a butterfly,\nmost don\'t make it.");
AddReply(302314,"#38 @@@@, theory not Chamish\'s, but due to Profs Sutton & Quigley","Dan","Jerusalem","04/28/08","Larry claims that I am a Chamishian conspiracy nut.\n\nLarry, do a little reading.  The theory is due to the late Prof. Anthony Sutton of Stanford, who documented Wall St.\'s support for the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution,  & US support for the Soviet Regime, while the US army fought the communists in Vietnam.  \n\nWhy would the US support the USSR while it was arming the vietcong who were killing American soldiers ?\n\nWhy did the State Dept. impose  an arms embargo on the nationalists in China, thus bringing Mao & the communists into power. (Yes, Vienna Mike doesn\'t realize that the state dept. brought Mao to power).\n\nWhy does the US support the Saudis who are arming the insurgents in Iraq who kill American soldiers ?\n\nThe US ruling elite supported, according to Prof. Sutton, the \"Best Enemy money can buy\" to bring about a world gov\'t.\n\nRead about Prof. Caroll Quigley who was former Pres. Bill Clinton\'s mentor.  Prof. Quigley documents in his book \"Tragedy & Hope\" that both the Republicans & Democrats are controlled and the phony alternative exists so we can \"throw the bums out\" every 4 years.\n\nQuigley also ridiculed people on the right for blaming everything on the \"communists\" not realizing that behind the communists were globalists, e.g. \"communist spy\" Alger Hiss, together with Eugenicist Julian Huxley, wrote the UN charter.\n\nYou could also read Bertrand Russells book, \"The impact of science on society\", 1952, where he called for controlling the supply of food to reduce population.\n\n");
AddReply(302304,"To Larry, TA","Daniel","Kyoto","04/28/08","A lot of what you say makes sense. But note- Pinner is the person representing the position you attribute to Tzvi. Tzvi\'s position is fundamentally different. It divides rather than unites. It posits that Aliyah is a mitzvah in which one has a chiyuv, similar to Matzah, and a Jew who doesn\'t do it deserves attack and derision (would be speak in the same tones of a Jew who actually does not eat matzah?). He excludes people who should be in the same camp as him, and does so nastily and with plenty of derision. He divides us, and makes us incapable of action... and does a better job for Olmert and co. than they could ever have hoped for via \"divide and conquer\".\nPinner says mass aliyah is a solution, but acknowledges the worth of Jews outside Israel who help. I disagree- mass aliyah is not a solution. It\'s not about numbers, it\'s about what we do. Whether Mike\'s course of action makes any sense is another question- who knows, it will probably never happen anyway. But I feel action is better than inaction, and yby\'s solution has promise, cutting out all the abusive nasty mess that he embeds it in. Action with Jews to bring them closer to Judaism and away from the assimilationist ideas which fuel the regime and its supporters.");
AddReply(302284,"On The Great Debate","Larry","TA","04/28/08","If, as Daniel Kyoto says, it\'s about propagandists and who has the best, then nobody wins. That is, you could find a ringside judge and score up the points by round, and decide a winner. But this is part of the problem - deciding goals. If the goal is to construct the most dazzling, logical argument that holds up better than the rivals, then fine. \n\nThe whole point to me is not about propaganda. It is about building a better reality. Both arguments posit certain realities; in fact, both \'teams\' posit that the State is either doomed or something like evil. For Kyoto and others to claim that Fishman is advocating State-Worship is not so. Fishman Tsvi is actually fairly close to Wiener Mike in his starting point. Both are claiming that the state is heavily flawed, inherently anti-nationalist or anti-national-religious, and the question is what to do about it. Both positions assume a Judaic or near-Messianic solution. Fishman would bring his through mass Aliyah and living the good life, the right life. Wiener wants purges, blood in the streets, lots of death and pathos.\n\nWhat if both are wrong? What if the state is flawed but not mortal? What if the \'solutions\' are really ideals, and can never be realized, only approached? I am thinking of comments by Steve Florida on Tamar\'s blog about people getting what they deserve, about Jeffersonian axioms versus Adamsian ones. If he is right, and I suspect he is, then \'what the people can be\' needs to be readdressed, as well as the relationship between people and gov\'t, as well as the people\'s view of itself and of its rulers.\n\nWe have Dan Jerusalem and Tamar giving us something like the Barry Chamish theory of the universe. This is tempting but flawed. For it assumes something like the inherent evil of the rulers, and perhaps the Jeffersonian take on the people, and simplifies the problem to one of cleansing the leadership. While I agree that globalism is a problem, and distortions and propaganda are widespread, from \'Palestine\' to Kosovo, it\'s hardly that simple. Or as Steve might put it, \'the masses support globalism.\'\n\nDo they not? Don\'t most people, including nationalist-religious ones, effectively \'support\' globalism by lifestyle, by choices of profession, by acceptance of urbanization and the need/right to travel, etc...to be citizens of the world? \n\nPerhaps the goal is not anti-globalism after all, maybe it is something in between. For if the advocates of Jeffersonianism like Eidelberg are right, then the people\'s will is far closer to the globalists than we want to admit.");
AddReply(302271,"Mike 26 & 30: Wrong on a few issues.","Yitzhak","Shilo","04/28/08","Mike: \"We must worship Medinat Israel, says Yitzhak Shilomann, head of the Oakenkopf Brigade, the storm wing of the Fishlover Coalition. Everyone who says otherwise is a heretic! In fact, Medinat Israel is holier than anything at all. Medinat Israel is Hashem!\" RESPONSE: You obviously failed to read Tzvi\'s blog carefully enough. If you had, you would have noticed that Tzvi took a few ineffectual swipes at me as well. To clarify, in no way do I concider the State of Israel to be holy. In fact, I don\'t even vote, so as not to support it in any way. If I had voted, then I\'d be obligated to follow the will of the majority- even if it violated Hashem\'s Laws. Essentially, I\'ve turned my back on the hooting monkies that inhabit the Kennesset. Hardly the poster boy for Fishman!\n\nMike further stated: \"When our State was destroyed and our Men killed, the nerds took over and distorted our faith beyond recognition. Today, slowly, we get a chance to grope back toward the true Judaism of our forefathers, the Judaism that caused R. Yossi to proudly proclaim, amid the frightened clucking of the nerds, that arms are an adornment to a man.\" RESPONSE: You are WAY out of line here. Rabbi Yossi\'s peers had REAL Smicha - a connection to the Torah that was handed down to Moshe and then related from rav to rav, untill this uninterupted flow of knowledge was recieved by Rabbi Yossi, and his collegues.  Do not mistake Rabi Yossi\'s generation with the imposters that force themselves upon us today! If these members of the Sanhedren ruled that weapons were inappropriate attire for Shabbat. Then so be it. please don\'t reffer to them as \"nerds\". To do so, only serves to display one\'s ignorance.\n\nMike:\"While I spoke about the real Exodus, the folks who daily pour vitriol at me on this blog stuffed themselves with pizza and went peacefully to sleep...\"\n\"But in the meantime, when we speak in the language of Men to those whose minds and cojones have been removed by the clucking of nerds, we get mostly blank stares. One can expect no different\"....\"2000 years of exile have murdered the Men. The nerds are all that\'s left. Nerds do not stand up to bullies, nor do sheep stand up to wolves.\"  \nRESPONSE: Both offensive and untrue in equal measure. You further stated:\"...it is worth it to put up even with the vilest of this blog\'s inhabitants in order to save a Jewish life.\" Well I MAY know that DAVKA yesterday, on ISSUR CHAG, when we were supposedly stuffing our faces with chametz, a small group of religious men, mostly comprised of your \"effete suberbinites\" were busy risking their lives to rescue a woman that was being held captive with her children (unspecified number). These Lev Leachim groupes operate covertly, at great personal risk to free jewish women (& their children)held by arabs - without any form of backup! Effete my A@@! They save Jewish lives every week, not by calling for armed rebellion, but through Ahavat Yisroel. Please don\'t ask me for details, you\'d be wasting your time. Good day.\n\n\n");
AddReply(302270,":(","Daniel","Kyoto","04/28/08","\"You can\'t take on Fishman\" says Shoshie.\nNo, Fishman is a propagandist. He\'s never yet argued an issue on this blog. What he does is to edit people\'s entries, censor, and insult people who don\'t agree with everything he says.\nNo, Shoshie, Mike is hands-down winner on content, and sk also (and Daniel Pinner is excellent for the other side). For propaganda, they lose... I choose content over propaganda, Shoshie and the others- what about you?\nIf you like propaganda, BTW, Hanan Ashrawi whacks you all.\n");
AddReply(302266,"vienna mike\'s true identity","Velvel","silver spring","04/28/08","I suspect that vienna mike\'s name in real life used to be Jim Hellwig before he had it legally changed to something else.....  \n\nTruly, I believe that mike vienna has \'come to unite the warriors as ONE!!\' \n\nAm I close, mike?");
AddReply(302263,"To #26 Vienna Mike","Nick L. Islam","Kfar Tapuach","04/28/08","Nothing wrong with \"munching on pizza\" the day after Pesach - I also enjoyed it.\n\nGood response though - but why did our old friend Daniel Pinner not get even a passing mention in your TB? ;-)");
AddReply(302251,"Oslo was a US initiative;  Note: Bush also betrays the US","Dan","Jerusalem","04/28/08","When Clinton acted surprised at the Oslo agreement, it was just an act. He was in on it from the first.\n\nIt has been US policy since \'67 that Israel give up Yesha.\n\nBut why do Olmert & Co. support expelling Jews, etc. ? Because they are globalists.  \n\nSame reason that Bush doesn\'t stop the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico, doesn\'t protect US industries with tariffs against poisonous junk from China, lowered the interest rate to destroy the dollar, etc.\n\nAll the leaders of the West are controlled by the globalists.  Same thing in Britain where they are being forced to accept the communist European Union  treaty.\n\nIs the US an ally of Israel ?\nhttp://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm\n");
AddReply(302243,"Dear Tzvi","Bob Alexander","LA","04/28/08","What is your answer to Mike\'s points about the bancruptcy of Medinat Yisrael?? You cannot ignore everything that he says. With Independence Day 60 coming up, what should be our attitude to the Jewish State today? ");
AddReply(302239,"Back to the real issues! (a repost)","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/28/08","Where are the Jews of the Holy Land?\n\nAmerican Jews cannot be more Jewish than the Jews of the Holy Land. \n\nWe know the full truth -- the entire Oslo Process, from beginning to end, was orchestrated BY ISRAEL. \"American pressure\" is an excuse. America cannot pressure anyone to do anything. The Americans are too weak-willed and too cowardly as a people for their threats to excite anyone. Certainly a nuclear power cannot be threatened. \n\nHowever, the excuse of \"American pressure\" is a great way to distract the Jewish public in Eretz Israel. Like the matador\'s swirling cape, this excuse distracts the Jewish victims of Medinat Israel from the true culprit and the true instrument of destruction -- the monstrous Israelis and their horrific plan to murder the entire dati leumi community. \n\nThe Jews of America cannot act until the Jews of the Holy Land act to save themselves. In the face of Israel\'s murderous treachery there can be only one answer -- armed struggle for partition. Only by giving the Israelis the clear choice between mutual annihilation or peaceful partition can the Jews of the Holy Land save themselves. Appeals to America\'s Jewry by those who will not lift a finger to save themselves are meaningless and counterproductive. How, after all, is America\'s Jewry to oppose the stated aims and desires of the sole government which claims to represent the Jews of the Holy Land? Now, were there TWO such governments, the Jews of America and, for that matter, the Christians also, could pick one or the other to support.");
AddReply(302236,"Vienna Mike breaks character","the man behind the mask","somewhere near Capitol Hill","04/28/08","This Seludat Mashiach, I spoke, briefly, so as not to bore my audience, about the Bread of Haste.  I mentioned quickly the real English word for matza.  I spoke about the reality of the Exodus, about the tremendous amount of planning and preparation, the magnificent level of military expertise shown in the Torah story, the sheer logistical brilliance needed in order to awaken 3 million people in the middle of the night and lead them, quickly and in an orderly fashion, across a series of narrow fords.  I spoke also of the true emunah, the emunah that the fords will open up in time, that the water would rise in time, that the fog will hold long enough.  I spoke about the sin of depending on miracles.  Yet as I spoke, I knew that not one person out of ten among those listening to me really understood the message.  \n\nWhen our State was destroyed and our Men killed, the nerds took over and distorted our faith beyond recognition.  Today, slowly, we get a chance to grope back toward the true Judaism of our forefathers, the Judaism that caused R. Yossi to proudly proclaim, amid the frightened clucking of the nerds, that arms are an adornment to a man. \n\n It took 2000 years of nerd rule to do the damage.  It will take 2000 years of rule by Men to undo it.  But first, of course, we must have a State run by Men.  We will have it, one way or another.  Hashem will see to it.  But in the meantime, when we speak in the language of Men to those whose minds and cojones have been removed by the clucking of nerds, we get mostly blank stares.  One can expect no different.\n\nWhile I spoke about the real Exodus, the folks who daily pour vitriol at me on this blog stuffed themselves with pizza and went peacefully to sleep.  To sleep also went $hade$ and his gang of erev rav \"rabbis\".  To sleep went the mass murderer Olmert and his gang of blood-soaked criminals.  To sleep went the paid traitors of the Yesha Council.  They slept unmolested.  \n\nNo need for them to fear raucous activists breaking into their homes to drag them onto the street, drench them in blood and excrement and call them traitor through a bull horn held within an inch of their head.  No need for them to fear true protest or rejection of their authority.  No need, of course, to fear armed rebellion.  The sheep will continue to march to the slaughter, singing happy tunes about their holy State and the great mizvah of serving the cause of their own murder.  Not Vienna Mike and not anyone else can change that.  2000 years of exile have murdered the Men.  The nerds are all that\'s left.  Nerds do not stand up to bullies, nor do sheep stand up to wolves.\n\nSo why does the man behind the mask continue to post as Vienna Mike?  Because he who saves one life saves the world entire.  Even if only one man opens his eyes and refuses to be lured into the death trap with promises of a free ulpan, I will have performed the greatest of mizvot.  If a man or two open their eyes and see the true nature of Medinat Israel, so much the better.\n\nI do not expect revolution or even positive action to save their own lives from the suburban nerd-sheep of Yesha.  But I will continue, at least for a time, to post as my job and my work permit.  Because it is worth it to put up even with the vilest of this blog\'s inhabitants in order to save a Jewish life.");
AddReply(302226,"Living in the Diaspora is suicide","Aharon","Boston","04/28/08","With the increasing assimilation rate, in another 25 years the only rermaining Jews will be the Orthodox, and a wave of extreme anti-Semitism could threaten them as well. ");
AddReply(302225,"LOL LOL Tzvi this entry was hilarious, I\'m cracking up!!!","Velvel","silver spring","04/28/08","");
AddReply(302223,"Brit Milah is dangerous and how!","Harry","Kew Garden Hills","04/28/08","I remember that I couldn\'t walk for almost a year after mine!");
AddReply(302210,"So it sinks in","Mike","Vienna, VA","04/28/08","Today, while the fishmans were penning inane blogs and munching on pizza, we in the Diaspora read the Haftara that tells us the true name of the State that will bring Geula -- YEHUDAH!  YEHUDAH! YEHUDAH!  -- but the fishmans are too busy munching on chametz to listen to Isaiah.  Perhaps the fishmans should read Torah, instead of insulting fellow Jews and perpetuating sinat chinam.  However, this would interfere with their worship of their idol, Medinat Israel.\n\nBy the way, Fishman, the IDF is leaving 40 Jewish towns in Yesha.  What, do you need someone to draw you a picture?  \n\nThe ridiculous thing is that you suburbanites will continue to send your sons to serve in the IDF -- the IDF deployed NOT to defend you!  And you will continue to build shoddy suburbs instead of true settlements.  But don\'t mind Vienna Mike, you can close your ears, close your eyes and sing happy tunes while your enemies plot your extermination.\n\nPerhaps you should read the Haftara twice.  SO IT SINKS IN!\n\nIn the meantime, here are breaking news:\n\nFishy Fishlover Claims that Medfinat Israel Must Replace Hashem\n\nWe must worship Medinat Israel, says Yitzhak Shilomann, head of the  Oakenkopf Brigade, the storm wing of the Fishlover Coalition.  Everyone who says otherwise is a heretic!  In fact, Medinat Israel is holier than anything at all.  Medinat Israel is Hashem!  Our leader Fishy Fishlover says so, and everything Fishy says is 100% true! \n\nWe must bow before prime minister Olmert and worship him as a living god, says Fishy Fishlover.  The Torah does not know what it is saying when telling us not to worship man-made things, claims Venomous Snakehisser, Fishy Fishlover\'s second in command.  In fact, claims Singy Wingy the Fishlover Head of Social Services, those who do not believe that Medinat Israel and its glorious leader Saint Olmert are holy are misadjusted meanie poopheads.  They should be locked up and given \"special therapy\" until they, too understand the reveald truth as spoken by Fishy Fishman \n\nEminent Fishlovers Ari Yehudah and Rabid Narhoff agree.  In fact, they have been hard at work, sources tell us, editing the Torah to remove all references to Hashem and replacing them instead with Medinat Israel.  In addition to this, the Fishlover Coalition\'s special edition of the Torah completely excludes all mention of Hanukkah.  \n\nHanukkah is evil, says Fishy Fishlover, since it documents an unholy rebellion against a gloriously holy Hellenist State just like Medinat Israel.  Therefore, members of the Fishlover Coalition refuse to celebrate Hanukkah.  Instead, the Fishlover Coalition plans to meet on Rabin Square to hold a special sacrifice and incense service in honor of Holy Medinat Israel.  Newly created brass statues of Holy Olmert, Holy Rabin and Holy Ben Gurion will be unveiled personally by Fishy Fishlover.  Members of the Fishlover Coalition are urged to donate their children to be offered as \"sacrifices for peace\".  We are confident, says Fishy Fishlover, that the new Fishlover religion of State-worship will soon replace barbarous and obsolete Judaism.  And if not, continues Fishlover in an ominous tone, we still have Yassamniks!\n\nIn the meantime, rockets fired by Israeli agents keep falling on Sderot...");
AddReply(302209,"Stuck in the Diaspora?  Click here for Divine Assisted aliyah!","Adam","Monsey, NY","04/28/08","Check out http://prayingforaliyah.blogspot.com\n\nEverything is completely free and totally l\'shma.  Pray for another Jew to move to Israel.  Have another Jew pray for you.  It\'s already worked wonders - so what are you waiting for?  \n\nhttp://prayingforaliyah.blogspot.com");
AddReply(302203,"To Shimon","Dan","Galut","04/28/08","Maybe it\'s Jimmy Carter");
AddReply(302142,"I fear that this blog is Kaddish","Albert","London","04/27/08","for the \"aliyah is suicide\" mantra");
AddReply(302138,"Hey Yos!","Larry","\'Balmy\' TA","04/27/08","A few hours ago the cops showed up and shut down my street, sent the robot in and blew up a \'cheftz chashud\' - boom boom boom boom - four booms. \n\nShe\'ela elecha hamud - If it had been real and Shlomo Hamelech St. had gone up, would you mourn us or say goodbye to traitors to torah?\n\nYa habibi, layla tov b\'ir hakodesh.\n\nYehudi pashut aval amitz. ");
AddReply(302104,"This blog","Me","Here","04/27/08","GADOL!!!!!!!!!");
AddReply(302099,"Shoshie, Beit Shemesh what makes you think that those 3 are Jews?","Lior","Highfah:-)","04/27/08","");
AddReply(302095,"I guess it was suicidal also","Melinda Lehan","Smalltown,U.S.","04/27/08","for Issac to lay down and be strapped down while Abraham drew his knife, but look what a covenant you got with G-d in the return.");
AddReply(302086,"Couldn\'t stop laughing!","Rachel Singer","isReal","04/27/08","");
AddReply(302085," Sounds alot like me --when I\'m ","satch","UK","04/27/08"," drinking!   Thats why I quit.  I used to say I\'d tell you something three different ways before I\'d lie about it.  I can see some of that in the blog.  It takes less muscle to smile than to frown so we shouldn\'t feel overworked or stressed.  Making one feel \'unnecessary\' isn\'t getting to their funny bone while reaching out to someone in love and understanding might be.  Confusion is the last thing you want to give an idiot that is energetic!  Plowing up a snake--in other words\'   Remember the phrase, \'he who--who he\'.");
AddReply(302079,"Waste of time","Yosi","Jerusalem","04/27/08","Tzvi, I recommend that you stop addressing people who deny this or that part of the Torah. It is as productive as trying to get a conservative or reform rabbi to admit that they are traitors to the Torah. They have so many \"authorities\" and proofs and phoney justifications, that it turns out to be a big waste of time.");
AddReply(302075,"Okay, Tsvi","Larry","Babesville, Seaside","04/27/08","I am curious about the car crash scene. Is that England? The little green van is curious. What\'s behind it - a sidecar or??? Is there an Orthodox or Kabbalistic explanation for nehagei moniot (cab drivers) in Israel? Would greater spirituality provoke fewer Israelis to kill each other on the roads? I can\'t comment on the Kabbalah dispute with Yitzhak, though I have read claims that it is or has been used in mind control. I refer here to articles and blogs about Madonnah, though I understand that hers is Kabbalah-lite. Also, I have read that the Rosicrucians were inspired by Kabbalah. Comments?");
AddReply(302070,"Tzvi, LOL!","Rob","usa","04/27/08","");
AddReply(302045,"\"If you can\'t convince them, confuse them.\"H.Truman","Yitzhak","Shilo","04/27/08","Smoke & mirrors Tzvi. Your Silly \"argument\" lacks even the slightest trace of logic, let alone substance. By attacking me in such an ineffective manner, you accually strengthen my position. \n\nMost people, if givent the facts, will begin to have doubts about the origins and authenticity of Kabbalah. This worries you, and explains why you lash out at me without addressing the core issues. You fear the inevitable reaction by your readers if presented with a clear understanding of the core issues of contention. You fear that people will realize that Kabbalah has far exceeded the boundries of the Torah (both Oral & Written), and strayed into idolatrous waters. ");
AddReply(302034,"Taking on Fishman is suicide","Shoshie","Beit Shemesh","04/27/08","Forget it, Mike. You\'re no match for Tzvi. Throw in the towel before you make a total laughing stock out of yourself in the eyes of your children. Maybe you can sell your revolution to the Zulus in Uganda. So far you\'ve only managed to sell it to about three and a half Jews.");
AddReply(302021,"OOOOUUUUCCCHHHH!!!!!!","Brit Ney Tears","London","04/27/08","what about circumcision? that\'s the most suicidal of all -- one slip and you\'re ...");
AddReply(302012,"Larry","Tzvi Fishman","Yerushalayim","04/27/08","Thanks for the constructive criticism. I deleted the last few lines.");
AddReply(302005,"Until the Last..","Larry","TA","04/27/08","paragraph, it was funny. At that point, Tsvi has to go from semi-jovial kidding to straight derision. I agree with the posters who say this is far from Ahavat Yisrael. I think Tsvi is childish to actually write those last couple of sentences. The overall effect of this attitude is to push people farther from Zionism, Judaism, etc., not draw them closer. The implication of the ridicule is that anybody who is not totally signed onto the program is an idiot, or ignorant. And that\'s really unfortunate.");
AddReply(302003,"Hey Rog","Ari","Jerusalem","04/27/08","Aren\'t you supposed to be a serious orthodox Jew? What are you doing writing talkbacks on the second day of Yom Tov?");
AddReply(302002,"The perfect answer to \"aliyah is suicide\"","RBD","Har Nof","04/27/08","If Mike was even a bit of a gentleman, he would admit defeat, aplogize to all the people he has misled, and take his wares elsewhere like sk has done.");
AddReply(302000,"lighting Hanukah candles is suicide too ","Ari","Jerusalem","04/27/08","Every year some house gets burned down, sometimes with tragic deaths. Add this to the enlightened Jews list.  ");
AddReply(301995,"Pesach cleaning","Devorah","Efrat","04/27/08","Did you all hear the good news? sk was cleaned out with the chametz. At least on this blog. Nice going, Tzvi. ");
AddReply(301994,"I have given up reading this insulting blog","Roger","Manchester","04/27/08","");
AddReply(301993,"What about lulav?","Yehuda","Kiryat Arba","04/27/08","A few eyes get knocked out every year. According to the Suicide Boys, lulav should be outlawed too.");
AddReply(301992,"Fishman comes back swinging like a champ!","Moses Brown","from Dimona","04/27/08","But did you have to print the photo of thos chickens? How am I\'s ever goin to finish a tub of fried chicken again?  ");
AddReply(301991,"Two birds with one stone!","RBD","Har Nof","04/27/08","");

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