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AddReply(459929,"military service","natan","jerusalem","07/05/09","i made aliyah 3 years ago and served for 2 years in nachal charedi... i also have friends who serve in the army but arent planning on living in israel at the moment... i think serving in the army is a very important thing for all jews regardless if they are charedim,secular, dati leumi, or even jews that are living outside the land of israel and plan to continue doing so after their service. that would go well with the quote about reuven,gad,and half of menashe... even though they didnt live in israel they helped fight for it just like every jew should especially now with the internal threat it faces on a constant basis from the arabs in israel");
AddReply(458824,"To \"a voice\" #10:  You think Israeli yeshivish yeshiva system is perfect.It aint","Jew","Israel","07/02/09","You think the \"yeshiva world\" of Israel defines Judaism.   It doesn\'t.  It\'s a modern innovation, and it is falling apart due to financial and practical necessity.   Time will heal all wounds.   The charedi will enter more into the work force, more into the army, and gain more BALANCE, for a healthier Torah-committed society.  They will NOT have to give up Torah to do so, to be normal people normal functioning Jews in society.   And this is a good thing and more in line with Torah values than you mistakenly think.  More in line than the current system of the past 20 or 30 years.");
AddReply(453039,"I agree 100% with michelle,  ","jeff roden","tel aviv","06/18/09","Thanks Michelle, what you said needed to be said even if a lot of the dorks, who commented here are either hypocrites or torah dummies.  Whether you at this time are living among us or not does not detract an iota of the truth you wrote. As I recall Joshuah was a warrior and who knew Torah better than he.  R. Akiva led a rebellion, and sacraficed 30 thousand students for the cause of Judaism and doing what was right.  Hillel the elder worked, They all worked and studied and fought.  There is no higher value than the Land of Israel and he who would not defend it as a Jewish obligation creates a hillul ha shem.\"Do not stand idly by when your neighbor\'s blood is shed.\" (Sifra) Leviticus 19:16.lets admit the truth, the vast majority are in those yeshivot to evade serving in the military and are a burden to the general society this also is against Halacha.Turn off the national ATM then see?");
AddReply(451673,"#21","dan","london","06/16/09","so how exactly do you determine the top 10%- pressumably by ability as no human can equate effort and reward gained from learning. The simple fact is that some yeshivas contain students with higher abilities. This would distort the figures and this whole plan doesn\'t even begin.  ");
AddReply(451336,"Israel\'s Army Is Not A Jewish Army","Ariel Ben Yochanan","Kfar Tapuah","06/16/09","B\"H\n\nIsrael\'s army is not a Jewish army. It is the only regular army in the world at present that is involved with destruction of homes because they are Jewish and beit midrashim and synagogues. Closing an eye or looking elsewhere does not help. The problem of the IDF is ethical and religious. A Jewish army would refuse to harrass Jews. The Israeli army did not and does not.");
AddReply(450249,"#20","Michelle Nevada","","06/14/09","B\"H\n\nAnd who is to determine what an \"inferior\" yeshiva is?  \n\nM\n");
AddReply(449398,"one small problem","dan","london","06/11/09","errr.... how exactly do you equate the top 10% of one yeshiva with the top 10% of another inferior yeshiva?");
AddReply(449267,"the reality","Aryeh Zelasko","Beit Shemesh","06/11/09","Most advocating universal compulsory military service (UCMS), do not understand the IDF or Israel’s political history. The IDF has two parts: The real Army and the PUATON, the babysitting service. The PUATON are those who have no military function but are there because they have to be. Conservative estimates place the PUATON at 50% of the IDF. Consider what that means in terms of wasted money and resources. That is what happens when there is UCMS. Israel was established by Communists who admired Stalin and attempted to mold Israel into a Stalinist society. This included using the IDF as a primary indoctrination tool. Every solider was required to become a believing Communist and dedicated to the Party. If you do not understand why Torah Jews barricaded themselves in their Yeshivas as a result of this, there is nothing I can say to you about Yeshiva deferments.      ");
AddReply(448543,"number 13: do as I say, not as I do","Moshe","Beit Shemesh","06/10/09","");
AddReply(448504,"#14: Why are we ignorant and naive? ","C","Israel","06/10/09","Mrs. Nevada (and your) children are \"exempt\" from the army simply because they don\'t live here. Is that any more a valid excuse than the Charedi \"excuse\"? May chazi ddama didach sumak tfei? Israeli children must put themselves at risk for the sake of the Jewish people - but your children don\'t?");
AddReply(448394,"Take it to the logical conclusion","Tzvi TamariToronto","","06/09/09","Annie:\nWell said and absultely correct.");
AddReply(448358,"one of Israel\'s former prime ministers, ","sabah","Iraq ","06/09/09","This is good when you say there\'s two types of \"soldiers\" in the fight: those who fight with weapons ..I AGREE with this.... but I disagree when you say those who fight with prayer... We learn where we fight side by side with u.s army against the bad Islamic fighter\'s in baghdad 2004 to 2006 .I found all Insurgent\'s in aday light going to pray and they killing in the name of allah...the wisdem is the weapon\'s talk to let any Insurgent\'s shut up...By the way this is good for you just remember..one of Israel\'s former prime ministers, golda meir, made these 2 statements: \"the Arabs can fight, and lose, and return to fight another day. Israel can only lose once.\"\n\n\"peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.\" \n");
AddReply(448324,"Chareidi serving in army","Gavin ","South Africa","06/09/09","I really think one is just ignorant if you honestly believe that one cannot have an opinion about the Chareidi students serving in the army if you are not living in Israel.\n\nAsk yourself this does one need to be gay in order to have an opinion on same sex marriage, does one need to be pregnant to have an opinion on abortion, does one need to be a Jew to be an anti-semite? \n\nI really think you are just a little naive!!!");
AddReply(448280,"How disgusting. Aliya a litmus test.First do X then well listen to your ideas.","","","06/09/09","Well I made aliya, then nobody gave a damn what I thought.As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can\'t make him cross.Selective reasoning can\'t be reasoned with.");
AddReply(448246,"Military service","Adina","Jerusalem","06/09/09","She says it as it is, so true\nwe have to realize that if our Land and very exsistance is at risk, we need all the help that we can get, and so it should be.\nMrs Nevada should think of making Aliyah and throw her lot in with all of us, there is a lot of work to be done here.");
AddReply(448080,"I agree with Moshe from Beit Shemesh","Former American","Israel","06/09/09","We need Jews in Israel, not armchair Zionists in America.");
AddReply(448054,"no concept of Torah learning...","a voice","","06/09/09","the writer seems to have no grasp on the yeshiva world in Israel & the military- easy to pontificate outside the country as a cheerleader and pundit, but your ideas don\'t fly.  1- the IL military cannot handle the requirements of so many young men- one division is ok but not more.(don\'t even try to dispute the requirements!)\n2- the Il military does not want or need so  many religious Jews in their ranks-\nthese are anti-religious systems afraid of men who look higher beyond their authority. 3-Yeshivas are not only for the intellectual elite- this is an offensive\nanti-Jewish concept which also demonstrates your blindness re: Yeshiva learning, especially in Israel. While trying to hang on, you suffer from the galus mentality showing signs of capitulation to foreign influences & ideas. Time to trade in 1 dry climate for Israel\'s.");
AddReply(448041,"to Chava","baruch","Jerusalem","06/09/09","That\'s not true.  True there is a mitzvah on every Jew to learn Torah but even Rav Tzvi Yehuda would say that after 3 or 5 (I can\'t remember which) years, if a talmid isn\'t able to make progress, then he should leave the Yeshivah and get a job.  And on a logical level there is certainly a value on having people as part of Am Yisrael that know a tremendous amount of Torah.  I would say that as a Torah giant someone who is a genius would be of much greater value to the Jewish People than he would as a soldier.  I am sure there is the opposite example where you have someone who possesses such great physical skill that he is more value to us in the Army then he would in the Yeshivah because at the end of the day we are all in this together and it is the sum of our parts that matters most and not the individuals.  ");
AddReply(448036,"Military service","Baruch","Jerusalem","06/09/09","I agree with the premise but tachlis it won\'t work because you can\'t force someone to believe in something they don\'t.  For sure you can force students to serve, but then you have a culture of soldiers that are in the arm but they don\'t want to be there.  This is a haskafic difference and I don\'t think you can force them to believe in a different hashkafa.  I would however be in favor of national service of some sort so at least they are forced to give back to the nation like maybe working in a hospital or something.");
AddReply(448019,"FIRST make aliyah, THEN you can write such an article","Moshe","Beit Shemesh","06/09/09","even if the words of what you write are true, it means NOTHING coming from Nevada");
AddReply(448015,"Hypocrite?","C","Israel","06/09/09","I happen to agree with most of what you wrote except ... where exactly do you live again? And what are your sons going to do when they turn 18?");
AddReply(447956,"Great Idea","Moshe","Phoenix,AZ","06/09/09","I really like your idea but the \"yeshiva world\" will never buy it. It could be like the Hesder yeshiva program but for hareidim. It troubles me that the hareidim for the most part do not serve in the IDF. If you live in Eretz Yisrael and in addition to the protection of HaShem, am protected by the IDF, it seems only fair that you do your part. Whether you believe that the government is legitimate or not(because it\'s not Torah based) is irrelevant. You accept their protection (IDF), and hence you are duly responsible to do your part. You can still learn Torah and be observant, and do your part to ensure the safety of your country. \n  I myself attended what would be called a hareidi yeshiva here in the US. Prior to becoming frum and attending yeshiva, I served four years in the US Air Force during Vietnam. I didn\'t agree with the war but felt an obligation to serve my country, and I did.");
AddReply(447951,"Israel is now a society by class, nobody wants to be a fryer.","JMK","NYC","06/09/09","");
AddReply(447938,"Take it to its logical conclusion","Annie","Adelaide","06/09/09","Well thought out scenarios, but lacks extension in one particular area.  \n\nMichelle, you spoke of the tribes that had their inheritance at the other side of the Jordan River being told by Moshe they put their whole nation in jeopardy if they did not cross over and fight with their brothers.\n\nListen to those words you men of army age in the diaspora, you who are willing to stay on the wrong side of the river and not aid your brothers.  \n\nIt behoves you too to enlist in the Israeli army, do your service, aid your brothers, gain skills etc.  \n\nYou never know when those skills may be called upon to save your own or another\'s life.\n");
AddReply(447935,"another idea","chava","yerushalayim","06/09/09","I agree with a lot of what you say, but I disagree with one of your main points. Yes, it\'s important for the best students\' learning to be encouraged, and it\'s important for all the students to be learning. But, I think it\'s no less important for all the students to be learning than for the top students. It\'s the learning that\'s the mitzvah, not the results. I would suggest something similar to the Hesder program for Chareidim. They would learn. They would serve. And if there always were at least 2 serving together, they\'d have a chavruta even when they were serving. And the IDF would be forced to be very careful with Shabbat & Kashrut. And all the chayalim would get to know other types, maybe helping the unity of Klal Yisrael. Or maybe that wouldn\'t work, & they\'d serve with the nachal chareidi.");
AddReply(447917,"In other words, Israel needs John Wayne","Gary","Monterey, CA","06/09/09","Clint Eastwood and Ernest Borgnine instead of Jerry Lewis, Pee Wee and Gomer Pyle!");

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