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AddReply(394750,"FYI Alzaebo - 2","Ben Galim","Haifa","01/30/09","By the time the UN replaced the League, repeated attacks by armed Jewish terrorist groups had made that administration impossible. In the eyes of the present Government of Israel, this now appears to be the only \"legal entity\" for Palestine they recognise. It is not the Palestinian nation that was intended and to which Israel consistently denies rights and legal status.\n\nIn 1948, the USA and the Soviet Union, in the UN Security Council, took over the problem and created a two-state solution, which has palpably failed to secure either Palestinian autonomy or its statehood.\n\nWhen I first came to Israel 40 years ago the Israeli government said Palestinians did not exist - the Jewish equivalent of Holocaust deniers. They now acknowledge their existence so that is progress of a kind I suppose, even if the news has yet to reach California. Now you know otherwise.");
AddReply(394745,"FYI Alzaebo - 1","Ben Galim","Haifa","01/30/09","The term Palestinian was in use before World War I, before the Balfour Declaration and before there were significant numbers of Jews in Palestine. \n\nThe League of Nations Mandate was drawn up in consultation with the Jewish agencies and ratified in 1923, after a British White Paper proposed that the Jews would be given a homeland within Palestine, and not a state. \nThey could enjoy relative autonomy, provided they accepted Palestine citizenship and did not infringe the rights of other communities. Article Seven of the \"legally binding document\" gave citizenship, nationality and voting rights to all inhabitants of that territory, excluding Transjordan, as Palestinians, not as Israelis. This was agreed by the Zionist Organisation and administered by Britain as the mandatory power.\n\n");
AddReply(307654,"Palestinian identity invented 1967","alzaebo","Fresno, CA","05/16/08","Arabs in Palestine hired an American public relations firm in 1967.  Their question: \"Why does a majority of the world\'s media support the Israeli cause?\"  \n\nAfter almost a year of research, the answer came back: \"Israel is seen as the small, plucky underdog.\"  \n\nPeople generally cheered on the little guy who fought against the odds. Today we see the tyranny of \"consensus\".\n\nThe solution: $10 million dollars spent on a media campaign to create a picture of \"suffering\" Arabs as the underdog.\n\n1967 was the first year the term \"Palestinian\" was used for someone of Arab ethnicity.\n\n(Before that, calling a Muslim \"Palestinian\" would\'ve earned you a punch to the head... or worse.)\n");
AddReply(307258,"Leah ...","sk","USA","05/15/08","... you\'re probably right regarding Weizmann and that quote.  I find that I read it way too quickly and thought that W. was just saying that Jews would return to Israel and efforts to stop them would ultimately be ineffective and piss of Hashem.  I didn\'t expect W. to talk of Hashem openly.\n\nI see it in a different light now.  Sorry for my screw-up.  This is indeed \"Protocols\" propaganda from Muslima.");
AddReply(307200,"leah, sk etc This is a complete guess","Velvel","silver spring","05/15/08","Complete guess, but if Weizmann really did say that, perhaps he was speaking to the British who wanted to ban Jewish immigration (violating agreement).  Or response to the Mufti.  In essence though, that statement rings true - whether Weizmann said it or not.  Masses of Jews were going there, more on their way, and were buying up big chunks of land - with wealth that a lot of wealthy establishment zionist Jews had helped to amass in order to buy such land.  It required money and political clout to make that process happened, but once they had enough money and political clout there was nothing to really stop it.\n\nSo if someone DID try to actively impede it (say by orchestrating a final solution with Hitler, as the Arabs did, or publishing white paper like British), the Jews were not going to lay down and die.  They would fight back.  I don\'t see this quote as a big deal if he said it.");
AddReply(307113,"to edithann & sk","Leah ","Maaleh Adumim","05/14/08","I do not find *any* evidence that Weizmann ever said such a thing!  it is soooo out of character for him.  and I am surpised that sk describes this as \"a statement based in Torah, from Weizmann\" - because this is not what the Torah tells us to do either!  I have seen this quote mentioned only on antisemitic websites.  it is quite possible that it was totally manufactured by antisemites; or that Weizmann said something else that was mistranlated and twisted out of context.  it sounds like something from the phony \"protocols of the elders of zion\" - not something that Weizmann would ever have said! ");
AddReply(306964,"To edithann (a.k.a. Muslima)","sk","USA","05/14/08","THAT was a statement based in Torah, from Weizmann, interestingly enough.\n\nI like how you Muslims can take over other peoples\' land, then complain bitterly when they want their land back.  Your prophet Mo had declared ongoing jihad until the whole of the Dar al-Harb became Dar al-Islam.  You must be pissed that this just aint gonna happen.  Boo hoo!");
AddReply(306802,"More Taqiyya from Said.","sk","USA","05/13/08","I thought I already answered you, Said.  You don\'t get to \"demand\" sources; you should spend you day apologizing for the murder and misery that your religion causes for decent folk.\n\n(1) This was Ottoman land that was handed over to Britain from the defeated Ottomans.\n\n(2) Provide evidence that ANY of this land was really Arab to sell.  This will require documentation that the Brits sold it to the Arabs.\n\n(3) Defend the legality of the Brits selling it in light of Balfour, which was the legal basis of the British Mandate. Jews should never have participated in this land buying fraud.  Now they suffer because of it.\n\n(4) You can\'t selectively turn back time.  Islam has spread by the sword; every square foot can now be taken back.\n\n(5) You can\'t ignore the seizure of Jewish property elswhere in so-called Dar al-Islam.\n\n(6) Islam is not a race.  But the fewer Muslims the better.");
AddReply(306799,"As Rashi explains in the first chapter of Bereshit.","Velvel","silver spring","05/13/08","G-d created the world, all the land and everything else.  It was G-d who chose to give this land to the caananites in the first place, and it was G-d who chose to take it away from them and give it to us (as an eternal inheritance).  \n\n\"Arabs\" never had any part in that play, but they sure tried to steal our land again after the temporary British squatters promised to return it back to us.  And they sure stole a big slew of it when the Islamic invasions occurred and the Ottoman empire was established.  What right did they have to steal any of that land in the first place?  As the old saying goes, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.... Well the Islamic invasion was spread by the sword and.....");
AddReply(306780,"The Ultimate Source","Velvel","silver spring","05/13/08","Torah says explicitly that the land is ours for eternity and the wicked people living there sacrificing their children to Moloch don\'t have a right to steal it from us EVER.");
AddReply(306735,"Questions for Said--Israel has a purpose and destiny and all nations THROUGH HER","Scot","Columbus, Ohio","05/13/08","Said:\nYou may never ever believe what some will say in defending Israel. What I will ask YOU before anyone answers is WHEN did some people refer to themselves as \"palestinians\"? \nThe \"Palestinian\" post was a JEWISH Newspaper. The \"Palestinian\" exhibition at a World\'s Fair ( I believe ) the 1930\'s was JEWISH. On and on and on--\nwe could discuss this but they said and they did this and we did this etc. but you will never agree that the destiny of a Jewish Nation was to be born somewhere--and it HAS to be where it is now--with Jerusalem at its center.\nThe fact is Muslim scriputres ALSO support  a Jewish State.\nBefore I answer you on behalf of others, I will ask you to answer some questions on the roots of so called \"palestinian\" culture.\nI will read your resources, documentation and any census or historical account of that time. No Cannanites please, they\'re gone with no descendants!");
AddReply(306726,"Propaganda","Edithann","USA","05/13/08","Hey, can someone tell me if this was a declaraton or war or not? And was it before or after NAKBA?\n\n27. \"We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.\" (Chaim Weizmann, Published in \"Judische Rundschau,\" No. 4, 1920)");
AddReply(306675,"Said is an evolutionist, atheist!!!","Gary","Monterey, CA","05/13/08","");
AddReply(306639,"No one answered","Said","London","05/13/08","I dared Velvel, and all the racist arab-haters here, to find me a single source - no one answered because you know the truth - the Jews owned next to nothing and then tried the same trick they did with the Canaanites: declare a divine decree and slaughter anyone who tries to get in your way. Find me a source, point me to it and I will check it out for myself. If it is trustworthy, I\'ll come back and apologise! Instead, all I get is curses for \"daring\" to deviate from the traditional zionist history that agrees with your delicate constitutions. Go ahead and slander me all you like, curse me, call me a liar, belittle me - I can take that in my stride. While you\'re at it, you can live in a state of perpetual fear, hatred and war because of your own blindness! You will never know peace with that kind of attitude!");
AddReply(306570,"But Said, dear, (19)...","sk","USA","05/13/08","... you would never accept any source that disagreed with your lies.  Velvel already gave you one, anyway.\n\nI think Velvel omitted an important point, though.  It\'s called the Ottoman Empire, and the fact that the land in question was not the Fakestinians to sell in the first place.  They were mostly squatters. This business about Fakestinian land owners is a big lie your type likes to tell.\n\nWe know this is a general ploy by your side (the side of satan).  You come over to land that is not yours and you take it over.  You fully plan to do this in Spain, on the basis of Al Andalus (in other words, you steal someone\'s land, then you think you own it in perpetuity).\n\nWell, it\'s payback time, dear.  You\'re weak, you\'re primitive, you don\'t believe in Western values, and I hope to see you rolled back to Mecca.  Peace.");
AddReply(306462,"Said, no sympathy.","Velvel","silver spring","05/13/08","Said, regardless of who owned what at what time or who was allowed in and who wasn\'t allowed in by the British oppressors (Jews),  The arabs started a war with the express purpose of killing off the Jews.  And then they lost.  Why do you expect sympathy from us for that? \n\nOther than complaints against fellow arab effendis, the colonialist Arab states, and maybe your complaint against Fakestinian Arabs for selling land to Jews, the only valid complaint the Arabs can make against the zionists is the same complaint we Jews have to this day.  Why didn\'t the zionists expel all the hostile Arab residents out of the land?  That would have averted so much bloodshed, and it is the blueprint from our Torah.  To this day we live with the consequences that they chose not to do that.");
AddReply(306436,"As far as owning percentages","Velvel","silver spring","05/12/08","This is irrelevant. 1. All of it is and has been Jewish since G-d promised it to the Jewish people and we lived there 2000 years ago. 2. The ENTIRE LAND was promised to the Jews on several occasions by the British who officially controlled it.  They cut off a large chunk of it to hand over to Hashemites calling it the illegal state of Transjordan.  Then they sought to cut off more of it to give to the rapid influx of Arab immigrants from the bordering arab states as the europeans killed off millions of Jews in Europe and british banned immigration to prevent any acquisition of this land by Jews before the influx of Arabs could steal it all.  The injustice here was done to the Jews.  And if Fakestinian arabs have any complaints, it is w/ these meddling arab OUTSIDERS like Said\'s who decided they should manipulate fakestinians as a tool of their own Jew-hatred. Or w/ effendis\' oppression");
AddReply(306432,"lessons for Said part 2","Velvel","silver spring ","05/12/08","\"The high prices sales, which brought a fortune to the usurious, parasitic effendi class, proved disastrous for the fellahin\" whom the land-owning Arab gangsters had no concern for.  And these gangsters were also the supposed leaders of the fakestine \"national movement\" which obviously did not actually exist, considering the eagerness to sell land to Jews.  It was only a racist Jew-hating terrorist movement.  \nIn any event, these Arab gangster effendis would also intimidate fellow Arabs and brutally attack or murder them for the grave sin of selling land to Jews.  Because the established class wanted to make the profits themselves.  This was some of the falsehood of their supposed \"national movement\" to intimidate small land owners & fellahin into keeping quiet & letting the effendis get all the profit.  They would also force small landowners to sell low, so they could sell high 2 Jew ");
AddReply(306430,"lesson of history for little Said","Velvel","silver spring ","05/12/08","The Arab effendis at the time of the Mandate oppressed the Arab fellahin to the point that these arab fellahin were the status of abused serfs.  Then when the Zionist Jews arrived in vast numbers to buy land, Nathan Weinstock, who at the time of his writing was an avowed \"antizionist\" admits the following:\n\"When the question of the acquisition of land by the Zionist organizations in Palestine is broached, it is usually not stated that these land transactions are to be explained by the big Arab landowners’ eagerness to sell their property. Furthermore, these purchases led to an extremely lucrative wave of property speculation: the price of a dunam near Rishon-le-Zion, originally 8 shillings, had gone up to £P10-£P25 by 1931. The Zionists certainly paid dearly for their Holy Land. The high prices sales, which brought a fortune to the usurious, parasitic effendi class...\"");
AddReply(306418,"Correction 18, 1948","J Busner","Poriya","05/12/08","The declaration of Independence invited the Arabs to join us in building a state as well offered them citizenship. A few years later they were given complete freedom of movement, without any more army restrictions.  Unfortunately 1967 the victorious Israeli govt only continued with their confused policy.");
AddReply(306318,"To Said--Syrians and the sons of Ishamel have much to learn about ISRAEL","Scot","Columbus, ","05/12/08","I am tired of your doubt.\nYou cannot show the world that the so called \"palestinians\" are southern Syrians and that the name \"palestinian\" came from a Roman Emperor. Again, my ex is Syrian and Arab mind set is not so much about prospering-but rather seeing that the State of Israel does not. I have news for you Said.\nThe Bible and its words declare a return to the land given by G-D to the Jews and it is happening. The Jewish State in its declaration asked for peace with neighboring Arab States.\nI am tired of hearing at Arab Rallies \"Jesus Christ was a \"palestinian\" --so historically inaccuarate I could vomit all over the sign.\nJesus is JEWISH and HE will return to ZION --a JEWISH STATE for the benefit of all the nations--including the Arabs. The middle East could be paradise if ONLY the sons of Ishmael would bless Israel.\nAlas, Arabs hate the Jews more than they love their children.");
AddReply(306310,"#18 Zeev - Right On!!!!","Gary","Monterey, CA","05/12/08","");
AddReply(306154,"Velvel","Said","London","05/12/08","I\'m getting tired of your constant slander and lies. I dare you to find me a single objective source that shows that the Jews, before 1948 and the partition owned more than 7% of the land, not including transJordan. One source is all I\'m asking for! ");
AddReply(306140,"Mistakes","Zeev Shemer","Naharia","05/12/08","Mistake #1 not transferring the Arabs out in 1967. Mistake #2 Not transferring the Arabs into the Sinai before relinquishing the area to Egypt. Mistake #3 not transferring the Arabs and disloyal citizens who instead of celebrating the existence of Israel rather curse and spew their hatred.  Thank you Professor Plaut, well said.\n");
AddReply(306081,"Said wrong.... as usual.","Velvel","silver spring","05/12/08","\"55% of the land that they LEGALLY owned and worked on, \"\n\nThey did not legally own this land since it was purchased from them in large blocks by JEWS. If you are angry or upset that they sold it, take it up with them, not Israel or Jews.  \n\nLand inhabited by Jews was LEGALLY OWNED by these Jews & the settlements they created as of the outbreak of war.\n\nThen, when the ARABS chose to go 2 war 2 steal all of this back & prevent this Jewish population from declaring statehood or independence, Arabs lost more of their land (The Jews also lost some of theirs 2 the invading usurper Arabs, whether 2 the nazi Al Kaoukji\'s ALA, Egypt\'s invading forces led by Nasser, invading Iraqi forces, Arab Legion, etc).  This is the consequence of war & especially LOSING A WAR. U lose land. As I\'ve said before, get over it.  The arabs gambled & lost.  They could not kill off the Jews as they desired 2");
AddReply(306060,"To Said from London","Scot","Columbus, Ohio","05/12/08","Said:\nHaving a Syrian ex-I must truly say that the arrogance is on the part of the Arabs. \nBuying land at outrageous prices, clearing swamp land with malaria with stone after stone and still the persistence of the Zionist continued. The Holocaust ( Shoah) was a major straw breaking the camel\'s back--but never the desire for Jewish will to return to the homeland. As far as you saying \"SO DO THEY\" with regards to Arabs having the land, did you not read the article? Read \"From Time Immemorial\" by Joan Peters and Why I left Jihad by Walid Shobat. Furthermore, The name \"palestinian\" is not an Arab name at all--nor was it ever a nation in culture, economy and language. Indeed, Most Bedouins want little or nothing to do with those who call themselves \"palestinians\" \nThe pan Arab movement is based on denial of Israel.\nDriving the Jews \"into the sea\" is arrogant--Israel lives now and FOREVER!");
AddReply(306025,"the land is ours","Leah","Maaleh Adumim","05/11/08","Said, you keep getting it mixed up.  the land never belonged to the arabs.  it always belonged to the Jews.  but even so, the Jews bought it back from the arab invaders who had stolen it.  then more arabs came in from Syria and other arab countries looking for work in Jewish farms and factories - and these illegal arab migrant workers then renamed themselves \"palestinians\" and claimed to have a right to take away Jewish land.  the arabs control 99% of the middle east, and yet they are trying to take away the tiny part that has always belonged to the Jews.  and that is what you are trying to do with your posts.  when the arabs stop attacking us in OUR land, then there will be peace.  wise up, Said!");
AddReply(305907,"The origin of words","Said","London","05/11/08","Words almost always have their origins elsewhere, Velvel. The Holocaust is a Greek word that refers to the sacrificial burning of an animal to the Olympian gods; nowadays it refers to a dark chapter in human history. What I don\'t understand from talkbackers here is this: Why do you think a people would be happy to give away 55% of the land that they LEGALLY owned and worked on, to someone else? You may have your own reasons for wanting this land, but so do they! The reasons for all the Jewish-Arab problems is that the narratives of both peoples are diametrically opposed, for now. Howard, post #5, writes: \"And trying to buy Arab good will doesn\'t work.\" It can, but you are rather arrogant in assuming that it should be offered to Israel unconditionally!");
AddReply(305905,"SYRIANS?","Bruce","Launceston, U.K","05/11/08","Just proves that nothing changes!  If \"Palestinians\" claim Aramaic descent, then let them go back to Uncle Laban - Genesis 31.52 !!!");
AddReply(305889,"Howard K #5 your point 2)","Velvel","silver spring","05/11/08","You say:  \"2) As history unfolds, maybe the original Syrian claims could one day be used to try to claim \"[fak]estine\" along with Israel and Jordan, for a Greater Syria.\"\n\nAbdullah wanted to create \"greater syria\" throughout the 1930s/1940\'s dreaming to rule such an empire encompassing many arab states.  The other arab leaders distrusted him over this when it came time to \'officially\' decide on the method of attacking/fighting against the fledgling Jewish settlements (while abdullah dishonestly pledged to the Jews - secretly - that he wouldn\'t interfere with them).  \n\nIt is not now any more just or legitimate than it was then.  In other words, \'greater syria\' is complete garbage no matter what the historical significance or relative \'accuracy\' compared to the lie we know of as modern day \'fakestinian nationalism.\'  It is equally irrelevant (as I\'m sure you agree).\n");
AddReply(305864,"the \"nakba\"","david","usa","05/11/08","Good article. But I must take issue with the way Mr. Plaut references the left. As a leftist, I am deeply offended by being put in the same category as Yuli Tamir. Tamir and all the other \"leftists\" who refer to Israel as a \"nakba\" are anti-Semites, pure and simple - just like Pat Buchanan, James Baker, Henry Kissinger, etc. No one can accuse them of being \"leftists\".");
AddReply(305857,"The arab case","Randy Lazarus","Mitzpe Yericho","05/11/08","Don\'t worry, the arabs make just as strong a case for Paris, and even, eventually, Detroit.\nOnly force of arms keeps them from making Paris into Casablanca");
AddReply(305754,"Thank you, Prof. Plaut!!!","Nigel","","05/10/08","");
AddReply(305721,"\"NakBAH!\"","Philip","Florida, USA","05/10/08","THANK YOU to Prof Plaut for some great, insightful history...If only the modern Jews will learn it, and proceed accordingly!");
AddReply(305716,"THEY ARE HERE TOO","j","sf","05/10/08","IN SF THERE IS A LEFTY JEWISH GROUP WHO CALLS THEM SELVES NABAKA. THEY TRIED TO STOP OUR YOM HAATZMAUT CELEBRATIONS HERE BUT WE (I) STOPPED THEM. WE INFILTRATED THEM AND THEN WE WERE READY!!!! KOCH!!");
AddReply(305674,"A most informative article!","Shmuel","Miami","05/09/08","I would like confirmation that the origin of the majority of the present-day Palestinians only goes back to the beginning of the 20th century. That would be a most curious fact.");
AddReply(305673,"Great column.  A few points.","Howard K","NYC","05/09/08","1)  The subtlety of Mr Plaut\'s argument will be lost on the majority of the Arabs. Nakba for them is the very presence of Jews in the ME, never mind the semantics of Naqba.  \n\n2)  As history unfolds, maybe the original Syrian claims could one day be used to try to claim \"Palestine\" along with Israel and Jordan, for a Greater Syria.\n\n3) There\'s an unheeded lesson in the results of the original generosity by the Jewish settlers who gave work and a place to live to those Syrian workers.  No good deed goes unpunished.  The same attitude plagues Israeli Jews today, foolishly hoping that by providing Arabs with jobs and better living conditions, that will somehow mitigate the hatred they harbor inside.\n\nThere are many lessons that need to be taught (thanks Mr Plaut for this history reminder) and repeated again and again until they sink in. (And trying to buy Arab good will doesn\'t work)");
AddReply(305644,"The uneducated, twisted \"education\" minister- Yuli Tamir","JK","SD, USA","05/09/08","The real, true and only Nakba of any consequence has been Israel\'s left, led by such twisted and morally depraved souls as Yuli Tamir,et al, and the damage they have to done to Israel\'s image, the people of Sderot, the Jews of Gaza, and the like. \n\nThe leftist driven \"elite\" of Israel and abroad is a catastrophy for the civilized peoples of the world, and an immense support system for the evil and the IslamoNazis of the world. This is the major Nakba of our times. \n\nThese leftist driven vermin scurry about on all fours finding ways to make jihad more effective and Israel\'s survival less possible. They have to be quarrantined away from power. Even the Brits finally realized that the left and their liberal lapdogs have to be out of power, recently voting out the left and putting in Conservatives. Can\'t Israel be as smart as the Brits?\n");
AddReply(305607,"Let the Palestinian Arabs unite with the","Gary","Monterey, CA","05/09/08","Syrian Arabs in Syria.  Remove all Palestinians to Syria.");
AddReply(305540,"bringing truth/bringing the Tribes home","Lea de Lange","Jerusalem","05/09/08","Seldom one reads an article like this one, where truth is shown through all the lies we are bombarded with. Bringing truth is like bringing the lost Tribes home. Congratulations Michael. ");
AddReply(305500,"LOL, I hope Said is paying attention.","Velvel","silver spring","05/09/08","And all the various other Said\'s that may frequent this site.  ");

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