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AddReply(307509,"Israel at 60 - Give or Take a Few Thousand Years","David Moorman","Victorville, Ca","05/15/08","A quote from the article: \"The first Jew to set foot in the Land of Israel was the Patriarch Abraham.\"\n\nWrong! Abraham was a descendant of Eber, who was from Chaldea. Abraham was a \"Hebrew\" from Ur of the Chaldees. Abraham was not the first Jew. Judah was.\n\nhttp://youareisrael.blogspot.com/\n");
AddReply(300821,"In Other Words","JTP","USA","04/22/08","\"(In other words, the popularly promoted notion that Israel was “founded”, “created”, or “established” just in 1948 by the Western powers to give the Jews a piece of land out of guilt over the Holocaust is not accurate. )\"\n\nGuilt?  \n\nBy nature of a stratified hierarchical system (as theory); We do a few things only.  Those things support hierarchical order/ordering.  The things we do: \n\nAffirm loyalty/submission to authority/hierarchy, affirm our social rank, affirm our tribal loyalties.\n\n[Another rocket hits Sderot.]\n\nHierarchical ordering is a pattern which supports itself and not the individual per sae.  It\'s pervasive and intrinsic, observed in all creatures and in plant fractals. \n\nI\'m not a cynic.  I think reality is an orgy of Joy without mania, brutality and betrayal.  And the food is fantastic.  Nevertheless, an affirmation of standing order is inextricable from any/all event.\n\n[Another knife attack.]\n\nThe \'creation\' of the modern State, and the creation of modern Jordan, and the creation of modern Arab Palestinian identity, were the immediate precursor to warfare.  (Other things, such as coexistence, existed before and continued after, regardless of warfare).  Sustained militarization/brutality has continued ever since.  Therefore warfare and story support hierarchical order/ing (by default of theory). \n\n[Another rocket hits Sderot.]\n\nThe physical reality is always hiding in plain sight.  Yet the story manipulates perception and perception becomes the reality.  To debate decree is submissive and that is relative to hierarchical ordering.  The mainstream debate. \n\nRemember: stratified hierarchical system, constant affirmations.   \n\nThere is coexistence in the MiddleEast.  Diaspora communities.  Happens everyday.  This has been reality for a long time.  There is obviously coexistence in the State itself, normality.  Coexistence is not a goal when it\'s already a reality.  My guess is that Zionism was uneventful until a specific moment in time, then it became a headline.\n\nTiming be the judge of all.\n\nGuilt?  Guilt about mass murder, slavery, torture, theft of assests?  Guilt amidst the establishment of global industry, mass production, needing mass energy resources?  Guilt about an over-medicated dictator as historical cliche?\n\nGuilt has nothing to do with it.\n\nIs May14 an important date?  It\'s an arbitrary date, if you think about it.  A formality declared by transitory officials immersed in the worldcommunity.  The worldcommunity.  Yet a coalition of Arab majority states, also member of the worldcommunity, waited to attack relative to an arbitrary date and formality.  Not a week before, not a year later.\n\nEverthing that aligned relative to that date followed the same lead, every-thing.  \n\nThough aggressors claimed intolerable offense, \'occupation\', majority victimhood and/or ideological imperative; warfare began relative to an arbitrary date having nothing to do with aggressors\' casus belli.\n\nThat casus belli has been repeated ad nauseum, heard today, decades later.  Today\'s worldcommunity doesn\'t blink about the contradiction, therefore today\'s worldcommunity is following the same lead as yesterday\'s worldcommunity.  Being on the same script is submissive therefore authority and motive exist elsewhere.\n\nWarfare is a control mechanism, demoralization.\n\n[Another rocket hits Sderot.  Another foreign official mentions \'the necessity\' of something.]\n\nI\'m not disputing the opinion article premise.  Rachel\'s monument is thirty-five centuries in the same place.  The Hebrew calendar is nearly six thousand years.  Majority victimhood, once removed, with oil as a world resource, is absurd.  Absurd except when relative to a stratified hierarchical system, then it\'s a control.\n\n[Another published article text; \"claimed responsibility for the attack.\"]  \n\nMost control is demoralization, life portrayed as a singular negative (and/or a struggle).  Armageddon, armageddon.  Global cooling/warming.  Constant focus on death.  Cults of denial hide in plain sight, tortured logos oft gilded, tortured doctrine.  Self-fulfilling psychology.  \n\nIf you ignore status quo values, highly advertised, then you\'ll find that reality transits between positive, negative and neutral charges, and it does so endlessly.  THAT reality is not the exaggerated value represented by seventytwovirgins, immaculateconception or a perfectly manicured lawn.  (Freud whispers; \"Don\'t blame me, I tried..\")  The exaggerated values, so prominent, lead away from life\'s everday rewards, therefore such are control mechanisms.  Much encourages us to status quo values (hierarchy).  Most control is demoralization, life portrayed as a singular negative (and/or a struggle).\n\nA nerdy twenty-something guy made a reference to alcohol the other day.  I told him; you can only worship one thing in life.  If you\'re going to drink, drink, just don\'t worship it, don\'t worship alcohol.  You know what to worship, everybody knows, so worship that and be concious of it.  He knodded agreement but I know he\'s too nerdy and chubby to get what is wanted.  It\'s important that he not worship alcohol even though he finds it difficult to worship that which is distanced.");
AddReply(300694,"Invitation","Dr. Bob","Rydal, PA","04/22/08","Sure, and let us know the next time you\'re in Philly!");
AddReply(300128,"Scott","Larry","Tel Aviv","04/18/08","Thanks for that. Come over and visit us any time.");
AddReply(299453,"you mean...condi\'s got it wrong!!??  oh heavens!!!!","jt","","04/16/08","");
AddReply(299411,"To Lutz-Christians, Jews and all fine human beings cannot say what you did ","Scot","Columbus","04/16/08","Lutz:\nIsraelites \"pushing themselves\" into cultures?\nWhere are you coming from?\nLet\'s see -time after time the plight of the Jews has come from OTHER nations attempting to wipe them out.\nTime after time they survived.\nOf course, they were not the only people to be attacked--but they have been consistently sought after from enemies all over the world more than any other over time. \nYou have missed the point of the article and perhaps Israel\'s prophetic place in  time. No Israel is not perfect-but she has a right to exist and defend herself AND Jews being a diverse people have influenced AND been influneced by other cultures. Jews have always sought to keep their identity and simultaneously evolve. Check out just how many Jewish Nobel Prize winners there are--some of which YOU benefit from. For the record, I am Christian and used to think the way YOU did.\nResearch, see and wonder.");
AddReply(299264,"But where are the other nine tribes?","Gary","Monterey, CA","04/16/08","The Jews of today are decendants of the Southern Kingdom of Judah, which consisted of three tribes; Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites.  The Prophet Hosea says that the Northern Kingdom of Israel would be a people who would lose their identity as being G-d\'s people, until in those days (the end time) when it would be said that they are not my people, then they shall be called the Sons of the Living G-d, and that G-d would be their G-d.  Where are those of the Northern Kingdom?  Were they the Celtics or the Saxons? G-d knows!  But do we know?");
AddReply(299088,"150 years, Lutz Barz?  Did the Waqf send an agent to comment on the article?","Velvel","silver spring","04/15/08","");
AddReply(299055,"Happy 3444 Yr Birthday ","kate b","uk","04/15/08","WE all know this, but the likes of Gadafi, most Muslims I;ve met, actually believe that the Bible must be wrong because Mohammed\'s not in it.\n\nProphets are either reliable or not - if not, as Muslims say, then STOP using/referring to them! (And prophets must prophecy the truth, which comes true).  Also, where are the 12 sons of Ishmael in the Qur\'an?");
AddReply(298965,"60 years etc","Lutz Barz","Newcastle","04/15/08","The Israelites were a `nation\' for at most 150 years out of three and half THOUSAND years of the inherent cultures into which they pushed themselves. That is no basis for claiming continuity as a nation as there was no nation for over two thousand years which is claimed in the article. Stop rewriting history.");
AddReply(298908,"HIS land","albert paul ortiz","fullerton","04/15/08"," Those who believe are the apple of HIS eye and this land is HIS land. HIS covenant cannot be broken or amended. Truth be told, HE will never leave you nor forsake you,\"The one\'s who crossed over the Jordan\" ");
AddReply(298859,"That\'s right!","Danny Hershtal","Kiryat Shmuel","04/15/08","As I\'ve been telling my friends, we have to celebrate this year, because Israel will only turn 60 thrice.");
AddReply(298818,"An extremely important point is made here","Shalom Freedman","Jerusalem ","04/15/08","Making the world aware of our historical connection to the land of Israel is of great importance. It undermines the notion that we are \'occupiers\' the most commonly used \'propaganda point\' made against us. It shows that our presence and sovereignty in this land long preceeded any Arab presence here. ");
AddReply(298800,"Messianic State","Adam Neira","Melb, Australia","04/15/08","Congratulations to the State of Israel on it\'s upcoming 60th birthday !\n\nLike every nation that has been created on the Planet as at 2008/5768 it has it\'s bad and good points. No nation is perfect as at this time in human history. Israel\'s mission for the future is to be a platform for ushering in an age of world peace. It occupies a very important spiritual position in the divine landscape. It must work out how it should orientate and position itself in this mission. \n\nAs Roy Roger\'s said, \"If you don\'t stand for something, you\'ll fall for anything !\' \n\nIsrael\'s job description is to try and represent all the best that humankind can offer. It should be a model of stability, order, benevolence and expansiveness. These words are, of course, another way of describing the millenia old prophecies that the Jewish people must a \"Light unto the Nations\".\n\nShalom to the Holy Land !");
AddReply(298792,"But Israel (the country) was founded.  Am Yisrael different from Medinat Israel.","Velvel","silver spring","04/15/08","There is Eretz Yisrael, forever holy and forever ours, bequeathed to us from Hashem (will we merit to stay?  Let\'s hope so).  There is Am Yisrael, the nation of Israel which has been around since well.... Jacob/Israel.\n  And there is Medinat Yisrael, this small blip in the storied history of the Jewish people, founded 60 years ago by jerks like Ben Gurion and Weizmann who sabotaged the plan to rescue Hungarian Jews from the Holocaust.  \n\nThere is no way around that fact.  But hey, at least they beat the Arabs.  Only for US the Jewish nation, Am Yisrael, did Hashem allow that.  It wasn\'t on the merit of buffoons like the selfish early zionist leaders.  Medinat Israel was a gift to Am Yisrael.  Let\'s not squander it by letting this regime - more jerks like the founders - run it into the ground.  KACH!");
AddReply(298764,"YASHER KOACH STEVE FELDMAN","LARRY RAUER","Lakewood","04/15/08","BS\"D\n\nThe Truth is there for everyone who is open to it. \n\nSteve, if you are the Steve Feldman who grew up in Atlantic City NJ, please e-mail me at Seelite@Yahoo.com.  I\'d love to catch up");
AddReply(298752,"3444 years!","Hal","USA","04/15/08","Well done, Steve and Dr. Bob.  My calculations show that this blessed event took place 3444 years ago on the secular calendar (1437 BCE)  or 3279 years ago on the traditional calendar (1272 BCE).");
AddReply(298749,"60th","DOV KORET","NO COMPROMISE","04/15/08","I always thought the excitment was about Israel becoming a member of the un.\nWhat has the 60th otherwise to do with anything?? It\'s not dividable by chai. DK");

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