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AddReply(135043,"David","Larry","Mt. View","01/16/05","I don\'t really believe mass Aliyah will happen, absent anti-Semitism on a similar scale. However, with the economy always hanging by an oil barrel or a few Enron scandals, you never know.\n\nHave faith, Sharon\'s designs will in the end be foiled. We may have to pay a heavy price but the Shimon Peres Theme Park of Israel will change hands eventually.");
AddReply(135051,"USA IS AGAINST DEMOCRACY FOR CHRISTIANS IN MIDDLE EAST","Linda Rivera","New York","01/16/05","Democracy for Christians?  Christians in PA areas now live under sharia law enduring brutal and relentless persecution. Their human rights destroyed by Oslo/Road Map. Oslo/Road Map is an expression of deep hatred towards Jews and Christians. PLO terrorists were rewarded for their jihad of atrocities and their murdering of many thousands of Christians in Lebanon. These PLO savage murderers were given control of Christians in PA areas. Financed by the nations,  the PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization continue their bloody, barbaric jihad against the Christians and Jews of Israel.");
AddReply(135050,"a few replies--cont\'d.","David Hornik","Jerusalem","01/16/05","of them.\n   As for Steiner, the legally and morally right thing for him to do would be to stop making obnoxious posts. If our govt. has its way, by the end of next year we\'ll have stopped \"ruling\" the Arabs of Gaza and the northern Shomron and then much more of Israel will have turned into Sderot. I\'m sure Steiner can\'t wait.\n");
AddReply(135049,"a few replies","David Hornik","Jeusalem","01/16/05","To Phil--you still have me favoring a king instead of a democracy, and don\'t seem to have read what I wrote in my previous comment. As for democratizing the Arab world, I have a feeling that after Iraq, the U.S. won\'t want to try another experiment like that. Who\'s next on the list?--Saudia Arabia? Egypt? \n    To Larry--all good points; a lack of governmental accountability, and an imperial judiciary, are among Israel\'s serious ailments. I wish the idea of massive Western aliyah was realistic, though. Every oleh is valued, but I\'m not optimistic enough to imagine hundreds of thousands of ");
AddReply(135048,"Some good posts here","Barracuda","Jericho, USA","01/14/05","but please note that in order for a democracy to take hold there must be a middle class, and they must want democracy, not have it forced on them.  Even in a democracy, semi-authoritarian leaders can emerge, like Lincoln and FDR - yes, the big problem is that democracy and freedom must be fought for continuously - and we in the West have grown fat and lazy and if we don\'t wake up, will get just what we deserve. Moral bankruptcy is at hand and it is sickening, isn\'t it?");
AddReply(135047,"Hornik:","Michael Steiner mls_lists","Alicante","01/14/05","You\'re comparing apples and pears. Grow up. Fact is, we\'re controlling territory which legally does not belong to us. We also have no moral right to it.  So there\'s no question of any appeasement; it\'s called DOING WHAT IS LEGALLY AND MORALLY RIGHT.");
AddReply(135046,"What is Needed","Larry Hall","Mt. View","01/14/05","1. A change in the structure of the High Court so Justices can not appoint their successords;\n\n2. A change in the electoral system so that Knesset members have to answer, partially, to the people.\n\n3. Some sort of Constitution or similar document which will unify Israelis and simultaneously isolate those who just don\'t wish to be Israelis, whether Islamists or those who wish to bring a theocratic kingdom to Israel.\n\n4. Large-scale Western Aliya, in the hundreds of thousands, because it\'s now sadly clear that many Israelis lack awareness to bring change.\n\n(yes, I will be one to return)");
AddReply(135045,"Reply to David","Phil Safran","California","01/14/05","There are clearly limitations to democracy but there are no better alternatives.  You are assuming that a king or whatever non democratic leader Israel would have would lead the nation in strength against the Arabs.  But isn\'t Sharon using dictatorial methods in his \"peace process\".  Wasn\'t Oslo done behind the backs of the public.  Is it too much democracy or too little that leads to these disasters? \nIn terms of the difficulties of democracy in the Arab world I have no illusions but I think the potential results are worth the effort.  We have no way of knowing if they want it.");
AddReply(135044,"APPEASEMENT","JOSIANE","","01/14/05","AND NOW IN THE NAME OF APPEASEMENT OUR GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ARREST AND PROSECUTED THE \"ANTI-DESENGAGEMENT PLAN\" INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THE ENNEMY WHO SENDING ASSASSINS TO KILL OUR CHILDREN.\n\nSHAME, SHAME ON OUR GOVERNMENT AND SHAME ON US BECAUSE WE ELECTED THEM.");
AddReply(135042,"Re: \"I was with you until\"","Ellie A.","North Carolina","01/14/05","Pure democracies are mob rule.  If a mob of Islamists want to kill Americans, what do you suppose that islamic democratic nation is going to do?  Jihad is always jihad. The solution that the USA has demonstrated carries checks and balances (real ones, unlike the U.N.\'s).  We are (or were, originally) a Republic.  And the Constitution is the glue that holds it all together.  If it becomes easy to change at whim, it destroys the democracy.  A democracy is a house of cards.  Moral relativism is the worst enemy to the Constitution of any democratic nation.");
AddReply(135041,"reply to Phil","David Hornik","Jerusalem","01/14/05","Phil, I said democracy\'s ultimate value has to be questioned, but I didn\'t say it should be scotched. I too don\'t have a better alternative. Still, if the results of democratic spinelessness are things like Shoah and terror war, it makes you think. The Bush-Sharansky idea of bringing democracy to the Arab world is naive chutzpah--it\'s not nearly ready for it. How would you feel if Arabs announced they were bringing Arab-nationalist or Islamist dictatorship to America?");
AddReply(135040,"Its not the fault of democracy P David","Howl\'n Mad","","01/14/05","It is the spineless leftist cowards who run the state of Israel that are appeasing the enemies. they lack the backbone to stand up to the west and tell them to buzz off. it is they who have allowed the shift in the balance of power to tip in favor of the Arabs who now out gun conventionally the Jewish state. not that it matters, they cannot fight a war like men, but they do not have to thanks to Israels leaders. Israel has lost this war in the world opinion arena and is now being beaten by a non people who have no historical claim  except that which has be revised.What a mess, aint life great?");
AddReply(135039,"David, I was with you","Phil Safran","California","01/13/05","until you came up with a solution of giving up democracy.  The Sharanskys and Bush have the better idea of converting our enemies to democracy (I know that is easier said than done) with the expectation that democracies don\'t go to war with each other.  That is the key.  People generally don\'t want war and democracies must listen to their citizens.  It works badly when an enemy needs to be confronted especially if preemptive action is needed.  However, if you have two democracies you can virtually count on no war.");

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