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AddReply(150792,"More to David Hornik","Rabbi E.","USA","08/19/04","Thank you for your responses.  Let all Jews - at the very least observant Jews - resolve to disagree in a dignified manner.  Many disagreements will continue to end in stalemates, as they do now, but at the very least we will not break the Jewish People apart, and we will not transgress the prohibitions realating to sinas chinam.  \nPerhaps a moderated forum can be opened for civil debate of the issues.  It might help us retain our respect for one another, even though the disagreements are about such major issues, that they will not simply disappear.\nYour Chareidi Friend,\nRabbi E.");
AddReply(150791,"Its amazing to me how the lefties","Jojo","Winnipeg","08/19/04","are so full of their own illusions. The lefties, I include the Religious Schnorrer class along with the secular schnorrer classes. Take for example some of the drivle being written in the comments section of this web site. .....Listen up dumb nuts. The world wants you dead and no amount of self doubt will allow them to give you the time of day. BE PROUD BE A JEW AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS YOURS. Otherwise we/they  will built  you a memorial museum in memory of a pathetic attempt at nationhood. ");
AddReply(150781,"David\'s Piece","Larry Hall","Mt. View","08/19/04","I think, overall, it\'s a very good piece. I\'m amused that it\'s so pessimistic only in that David assured me some months back he\'s an optimist. :) I actually have a bit more faith in Israelis to stop the nonsense that David describes. I think the Likud votes are the first wakings by a pragmatic, realistic section of the Israeli public that is neither \'settler\' nor Osloist in its approach (they are closer to the \'settlers\', though). \n\nAlso, reading this in conjunction with Haetzni\'s piece is quite sobering. The impact and power of the Peres/High Court/Elite in Israel remain staggering. So that is rejoinder to my previous comment - the Likud \'rebels\' will face many tests if they are to succeed. \n\nI expect the Shabak\'s Jewish sections to be bolstered soon.");
AddReply(150780,"Let me just add","David Hornik","Jerusalem","08/19/04","On the haredi issue, if you think having the haredi parties return to the Knesset, and get control of the Knesset Finance Committee (the declared goal of United Torah Judaism) is the way l\'karev secular Israelis to Judaism, I can assure you that it\'s exactly the opposite. ");
AddReply(150779,"Comes the Dawn....","Barracuda","Jerich, USA","08/19/04","Somewhere, just beyond the horizon, a new Holocaust has been engendered and is growing in the womb of insanity.  While Israel smolders from within and is besieged from without, the seeds of destruction are germinating.  In the bitter end, all the parties will lose.  Because corrective action was not taken in time, multitudes will perish. And for what? For human greed and corruption and stubborness and plain stupidity.\n\n\"Never Again\"?  \n\nHow quaint. How poetic. How concise.  \n\nHow hollow...  ");
AddReply(150778,"some replies","David Hornik","Jerusalem","08/19/04","I\'m sorry if this article offends some haredi people, but I don\'t think it\'s valid to keep refusing army service (with honorable exceptions) and to keep the Zionist state at arm\'s length while relying on the tax money of its citizens. Sorry--this is not real Judaism, which stresses independence as a supreme value (as well as military service, by the way). To Phillip, a U. of Haifa poll found only 49%-44% in favor of disengagement. Polls are very dubious; they\'re manipulatively worded; and many of the people responding to them don\'t know the facts and are subject to lefty media brainwashing in the first place. Shalom and Bob, many thanks, I appreciate it.");
AddReply(150784,"Hornik and Hareidi Parites","Phillip Slepian","Elizabeth, NJ, USA","08/19/04","As a Torah Jew, I completely understand the objections of secular Israelis to the Hareidi agenda in Israel.  The Hareidi parties are at least as, if not more than, responsible for the destruction of Ben Gurion\'s Status Quo arangement as the secularists.  Both sides have eaten away at the old, yet workable status quo until not much of it remains.  The result is a polarized, divided society in which the factions will have trouble coexisting with each other.\n\nIf Israel falls (God forbid), Israelis, of all stripes, will have nobody to blame but themselves.  A recent poll, The Peace Index, shows that 60% of Israelis support or strongly support the Gaza \"disengagement\" plan, with only 34% opposed to it.  Even within Likud, 55% support a withdrawal from Gaza, with only 40% opposing.  While the poll has a margin of error of +/-4.5%, it is still very revealing.  If it is accurate, it means that (a) Sharon is right to pursue the surrender of Gaza, since Israelis support it, and (b) those opposed to the plan have failed to get their message across to a majority of the voters in Israel.  I know I can\'t criticize, since I do not live in Israel, but it saddens me to see Israelis so tired of war, so desperate for peace and international acceptance, that they have started to make really bad decisions that could (God forbid) lead to the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.  My heart is breaking. ");
AddReply(150783,"Sinas Chinam","Rabbi E.","USA","08/19/04","I was quite disappointed to read this article which seems to express quite a bit of hatred towards the chareidim.  I don\'t think that this is the forum to rebut the comments, but I do think that if we desire the good of the Jewish People we must be careful in how we express ourselves.\n\nYour friend,\nA Chareidi Zionist");
AddReply(150782,"Far far away in \"Remote\" Bet Shemesh","Sarah","Tel Aviv","08/19/04","... you presumably can\'t hear the sounds of anything at all.\n\nSo the author likes the sound of his own voice, so what? You should not attack him- he\'s on your side politically and you need all the help you can get.");
AddReply(150790,"What I hear...","Hayley","Remote Beit Shemesh","08/19/04","I hear the voice of   \nP. David Hornik - a bigot, a self-hating Jew, a neo-antisemite.");
AddReply(150789,"Tick tock","Mark","","08/19/04","What a foolish people. I guess Gamla will fall again.");
AddReply(150788,"Highest Quality Essay","BobW","Virginia,USA","08/19/04","B\"H\nThis is one of the best essays re the catastrophic situation in Israel that I\'ve run across.\n\nThis essay provides the insight of a  Saul Bellow. Kol tuv, BobW");
AddReply(150787,"A very convincing argument","Shalom Freedman","Jerusalem, Israel","08/19/04","This is a powerful piece both in its overall argument,and in the way it builds that argument. One point after another it builds to an inevitable conclusion, that the \' quick fix\' and \' easy way out\' now being offered by the Prime Minister will be disastrous for Israel.");
AddReply(150786,"new expulsion plan","Howard","usa","08/19/04","time to start the Arik expulsion plan.");
AddReply(150785,"I hear","Israeli","Kibbutz","08/19/04","I hear the sound of freedom ringing and the end of religious domination.\nI hear cries of \"For Rabin!!\" as we tare his killers from their nests.");

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